Friday, July 27, 2012

Four Against None - The NYT vs. Dani Dayan

Dani Dayan had an op-ed in the NYTimes yesterday.  If I am not mistaken, the first time a Yesha spokesperson has had the priviliege.


The responses came in and today, the NYTimes publishes four in "An Israeli Settler’s Case, and Some Rebuttals"

To the Editor:

In “Israel’s Settlers Are Here to Stay” (Op-Ed, July 26), Dani Dayan writes, “While the status quo is not anyone’s ideal, it is immeasurably better than any other feasible alternative.” He is wrong.

The Palestinian population in the West Bank and Israel will continue to grow and may eventually outnumber Israel’s Jewish population.

If Israel annexed all of the West Bank, the country and its allies would be faced with a choice: to grant all Palestinians full citizenship, threatening the identity of Israel as a Jewish state, or to demote them to second-class citizens, threatening the identity of Israel as a democratic state.

A two-state solution is therefore not only the sole means to respect the Palestinians’ right to self-determination, but it is also the only possible way to preserve the Jewish and democratic principles on which Israel was founded.

MANDY KAIN
Ann Arbor, Mich., July 26, 2012

To the Editor:

Dani Dayan asserts that all parties are content with the status quo and that it is there to stay and therefore everyone should focus solely on “improving” it. Not only are these assertions insensitive to the immense suffering of Palestinians under brutal military occupation and siege, but they are also detached from reality.

No human being would accept remaining under a discriminatory regime that denies him basic rights. Sixty-four years of a relentless struggle for freedom by Palestinians is a testament to that.

The choice is clear: either settlements or peace. Israeli settlers may well choose settlements, but then they should have no illusions of peace.

MAEN RASHID AREIKAT
Washington, July 26, 2012

The writer is chief representative of the General Delegation of the Palestine Liberation Organization to the United States.

To the Editor:

Dani Dayan’s article is most disturbing for its stubborn resistance to thinking creatively either about how Palestinians relate to the presence of nearly 300,000 Israelis on their land or about how Israelis are at risk of losing a Jewish majority or living with a disenfranchised population.

Ignoring both demography and democratic values, Mr. Dayan is delighted with the status quo.

What kind of distorted moral and political vision has emerged to sustain such a view of the future? I mourn the loss of perspective, his celebration of victory and the rejection of a two-state solution.

CALVIN GOLDSCHEIDER
Washington, July 26, 2012

The writer is professor emeritus of sociology and Judaic studies at Brown University.

To the Editor:

Even if Dani Dayan is right and Israel has an unquestionable right to build settlements in the West Bank, the practice is still at odds with everything a country like Israel should stand for.

The principle that first justified a Jewish state — that all peoples should have a right to self-determination — is no different for a Palestinian state.

The creation of the Jewish state was a victory for humanity and a beacon for human rights, and it’s a principle that Mr. Dayan and the Israeli community ought to remember.

JESS COLEMAN
New York, July 26, 2012

Not one pro-Dayan letter.

Could it be that no one supporting his position wrote?

Well, I'm going to write a letter and send it.  Are you?

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7 comments:

William Lloyd Garrison said...

No! Are you a hypocrite? Or are you ignorant? Or just plain malicious?

How can you have been born in one state that espouses respect for all people (American Declaration of Independence), have moved to another state that claims to espouse respect for all people (Israeli Declaration of Independence), and then dedicate your life to being a spokesman for a slow, cruel genocide? How can you live off the backs of people who work day in and day out so you can have services and people who've died so you can be free, and then turn around and become an oppressor, stealing from the innocent and helping to destroy what would otherwise be a peaceful society? How can you wake up and tell yourself, "Oh look, it's the twenty first century. Let me get up and go try to push some inferior brown people off of some land that some 3000 year old parchment says belongs to me."

Do you know why the NY Times published four rebuttals to the Op-Ed? Because the editors at the Times know that the 21st century is one for progress, one for peace, and one for ALL people of the world - including the races and the nations that have been beaten down at the hands of selfish, thieving murderers - to finally enjoy the freedom and the security that they deserve. The editors at the Times know that America is arriving at a new dawn, but that there are a small number of people - like you and Dani Dayan - who selfishly wish to hold it back. People like you don't want America to get better, because if America did get better, it would stop treating Israel like a spoiled child and instead, pressure it to get better too. But no, people like you would rather that we all return to wallowing in racism, ethnic hatred, and hollow, ridiculous notions of religious superiority. I appreciate that the NY Times does not want to let that happen. By printing those four rebuttals, the NY Times showed that it believes that the American people stand with me, in support of respect for people around the world and support for their self determination. Unlike most of America's congressional representatives, we, the American people, will not be convinced otherwise with fancy presentations, "bought off" with free trips to Israel, or tacitly coerced into supporting you because we fear loss of our reputations. No. We, the American people, have messed up a lot, but at the end of the day, we stand for freedom for all. So long as America has any role in Palestine, not the IDF with its guns, nor you with your bulldozers, nor Netanyahu with his lies, will be able to take that from the Palestinians.

YMedad said...

Dear Bill,

If your efforts and those of others to establish a state for Arabs in the area of Judea and Samaria, besides the existential threat to Israel - which, I suspect bothers you not in the least - you will be causing pain, suffering and death to many thousands of Arabs ruled by yet another dictatorial and religious extremist regime. And you will undermining values of democracy and morality and freedom, not only for these soon-to-be-oppressed Arabs but for your ownself as this Islamist movement moves on.

William Lloyd Garrison said...

Okay. Now I'm confused.

Are you really saying that the purpose of your settlement movement is to "save" Arabs from themselves? Basically the settler movement is a philanthropic effort to maintain freedom in the area and to bolster against "religious extremism"?
1. When settlers come into the West Bank, they take away Palestinians' freedom. They bring soldiers, who take away more Palestinians' freedoms. You know that. Your movement is the dictatorial regime, and your movement has caused pain, suffering, and death.
2. We don't know what would happen if we gave Palestinian Arabs the chance to rule themselves. They've never been given the chance! Modern scholarship has never conclusively proven a link between Islam and authoritarianism. In fact, thanks to you and your movement, we now know that even Jews can run authoritarian systems. No religious group is exempt from selfishness and greed.
3. Don't talk to me as if you support freedom and democracy. Aren't there those among you who imagine that before the end of time and before the arrival of your savior, Israel must be renewed as a kingdom, and a Jewish Kingdom no less? Why doesn't Danny Dyan present that to the American people: "There's a group of Arabs who want to found an inclusive, democratic state on their homeland, and they're disrupting our plans to build a Jewish Kingdom!"

Don't pretend that you are doing this to protect freedom, human rights, or democracy. You are doing it to "protect" your own little group of extremists. Show yourself as what you are to the American people, and then see how they judge.

YMedad said...

ask any Arab out here if they really wanted Arafat & his henchmen from Tunisia. ask any Arab if he'd move from Israel to "Palestine" to fulfill his nationalism.

William Lloyd Garrison said...

I have asked them, and they have said that they would.
If your settlements are supposed to be a better alternative for Arabs, then why aren't they allowed to live on them too? It's good to see that you weren't able to address a single point I raised in either comment. It shows that Danny Dyan was wrong - you yourself cannot come up with a single reason why your tyranny is either moral or wise. Instead, by your silence you show that deep down inside, somewhere within your warped and mutilated conscience, you must know that you are wrong.

YMedad said...

Bill,

I really don't engage with ranters.

NormanF said...

Will the New York Times publish Yisrael's Medad's submission?

I'd say based on the letters (pro Arab) already printed, the prospects are zero.

So much for its slogan, "all the news that's fit to print."

Pro-Israel news is no news at all at the New York Times.