Friday, July 27, 2012

An Underground Temple Mount Situation

As Ma'an incites

Israeli authorities are continuing to demolish the Mughrabi gate of the compound housing the Al-Aqsa Mosque, the Al-Aqsa Foundation for Endowments and Heritage said Thursday.

The foundation said in a statement that Israel’s excavations at the site had been conducted secretly but were now being carried out publicly. The group has been monitoring the gate, and says dozens of workers have been demolishing earth and stones at the site.

Workers are also digging up earth around the gate where the foundation says Israeli authorities plan to build a synagogue for women. Under the Mughrabi gate there is another passage, the Prophet gate, which leads to the Al-Aqsa Mosque, the foundation added.

As we all know, the gate itself, per se, is not being touched. The work is to replace an insecure and dangerous entry walkway on earthworks that could collapse.

But what is interesting is this:

Under the Mughrabi gate there is another passage, the Prophet gate, which leads to the Al-Aqsa Mosque

What we learn:-

a) the names for the site change Haram E-Sharif, Dome of the Rock, Al-Aqsa, Beit El-Maqdis.

b) what we refer to as one mosque in the south, they refer to the entire compound.

c) if there is an underground passageway, well, maybe we could use that if the sight of Jews walking in is so bothersome to Muslims.

d) more importantly, just as they have an underground mosque, named El-Marawani, with even a Facebook listing

and here

why can't we Jews have an underground synagogue, at least as a first stage for the right of religious worship at our holy site?

We won't go to this underground location, the cave under the Dome of the Rock:-

but almost anywhere else would be an acceptable religious coexistence situation.

And would make out Tisha B'Av a more tolerable day.

Here's Rabbi Dr. Moshe Tendler, at right in full suit, and friends on the Temple Mount yesterday:


Intolerable Updates

Spokesman for the Islamic Resistance Movement, Hamas, Fawzi Barhoum, has charged that storming the Aqsa Mosque by the Israeli occupation forces (IOF) fell in line with the Israeli racist policy against the Arab, Islamic sanctities. Barhoum told the PIC on Thursday that the Israeli religious war against the Islamic holy shrines exploited the absence of the Arab and Islamic protection of the Aqsa mosque and other holy shrines. He also blamed the PA’s negotiations project supported by the US administration for such an Israeli audacity.
He called on the PA to champion a firm position to delegitimize the occupation, and called for organizing a protecting net for the Aqsa mosque and Islamic holy shrines. Barhoum called on the Palestinian resistance to exercise its leading role in protecting the land and holy sites and stop the occupation violations.


Israeli occupation forces and policemen provided heavy escort for 20 Jewish settlers who stormed the holy Aqsa mosque on Thursday morning. Local sources said that the settlers offered religious rituals and insulted Arabs and Muslims and threatened worshipers. Settlers deliberately break into the mosque before prayers’ times to ensure the minimum presence of worshipers.
Here's a photo of these "stormers" who are "offering religious rituals":

and these are Muslim of the same age who, too, are offerers of religious rituals:

The Jordanian council of trade unions strongly denounced the break-in at the Aqsa Mosque by Jewish settlers on Tuesday and called for immediate Arab and Islamic moves to prevent the occurrence of such violations against the Mosque. “This is something offending to the feelings of all Muslims and blatantly violating the sanctity of the holy sites,” head of the council Ahmed Al-Armouti stated on Wednesday.

And from IMRA:-

Poll: 52%:37% Allow Jews to pray on Temple Mount
Dr. Aaron Lerner Date 27 July 2012

1. The survey was commissioned by Makor Rishon and conducted by telephone the week of 27 July 2012 among a random sample of 512 respondents, constituting a representative sample of Israel's Jewish adult population (aged 18 and over). Maximum sampling error is 4.5% with respect to various estimates.

2. The survey was conducted by Maagar - Interdisciplinary Research and Consulting Institute Ltd., managed by Professor Yitzhak Katz.

Published in Makor Rishon on 27 July 2012

Should Jews be allowed to pray on the Temple Mount?
Yes 52% No 37% Other reply 11%
(Percent said yes in subgroups:
Ultra orthodox and nationalist ultra orthodox 95%
Religious Zionists 95%
Traditional 63%
Secular 39%

What do you feel about Tisha B'Av (AL: day marking the destruction of the
First and Second Temple)?
Nothing 51% Connected but don’t do anything 22% Connected and fast 22% Other

Should the erection of the Temple be started now?
Yes 17% No 61% Other 22%
(Percent said yes in subgroups:
Ultra orthodox and nationalist ultra orthodox 71%
Religious Zionists 43%
Traditional 3%
Secular 9%



NormanF said...

Before the Arabs decided the existence of the Jewish Temple was politically inconvenient for them, they preserved its origin in the Arabic appellation for Jerusalem - Al Quds.

Beit El-Maqdis is simply the Arabic transliteration of the original Hebrew, Beth HaMikdash.

As you can see, a lot of Arabic place names in Israel are simply Arabic renderings of the original Hebrew that existed there.

Nowadays, its "too Zionist" to bring up all that stuff!

Anonymous said...

Really? Because less than 80 years ago, the word Israel didn't even exist. Those Arabic words have been around for centuries. Your statement is false.

YMedad said...

Dear Anon. - how wrong and false you are:

"The unassuming slab of limestone doesn’t look like much. It’s crudely fractured and chipped on the sides, pockmarked with age, and is perched not too prominently on a shelf at the Israel Museum. But its smoothly hewn face and crisply etched Greek letters, still bearing faint traces of red paint, belie monumental significance.

“If we talk about the closest thing to the Temple we have,” said David Mevorach, senior curator of Hellenistic, Roman, and Byzantine Archaeology, “on the Temple Mount, this was closest.”

Two millennia ago, the block served as one of several Do Not Enter signs in the Second Temple in Jerusalem, delineating a section of the 37-acre complex which was off-limits for the ritually impure — Jews and non-Jews alike. Written in Greek (no Latin versions have survived), they warned: “No foreigner may enter within the balustrade around the sanctuary and the enclosure. Whoever is caught, on himself shall he put blame for the death which will ensue.”

There are actually two extant copies of the warning notices — a partial one here in Jerusalem at the Israel Museum, and a second, complete, in the Istanbul Archaeology Museum — and they are among a small handful of artifacts conclusively belonging to the shrine built by Herod toward the end of the first century CE. Contemporary accounts mentioned their existence, and 1,800 years after the Temple’s destruction, a French archaeologist found a complete copy that had been incorporated into the wall of a Muslim school in Jerusalem’s Old City.

“It is remarkable that this stone that… comes from the ancient Jewish Temple hasn’t been carried away far from from its original location,” Charles Simon Clermont-Ganneau wrote about his 1871 discovery. “Indeed, the place where I found it is only 50 meters away from the Haram al Sharif, the sanctuary of the Jews.”

Shortly after that stone was found it vanished, only to reappear — “myst√©rieusement,” Clermont-Ganneau wrote — in Istanbul 13 years later. It has remained there ever since."

And there are various inscription left by Jews at gates, walls and rooms in and around the compound.

YMedad said...

and try this