Wednesday, August 21, 2013

And A Jewish Kingdom in Southern France?

According to this book, Jewish Princedom in Feudal France, 768-900 by Arthur J. Zuckerman, there was a Jewish Kingdom of Septimania in southern France, nestled just north of the Pyrenees, which arose in the eighth century, thriving for 140 years under the rule of six extraordinarily competent Jewish kings.

There is this:

Arthur Zuckerman maintains that Makhir was actually identical with Natronai ben Habibi, an exilarch deposed and the late eighth century.[5] Zuckerman further proposed that Makhir(/Natronai) is to be identified with a Maghario, Count of Narbonne.... [and a] William I, Count of Toulouse led Frankish forces at the fall of Barcelona in 803. The account of the campaign in Ermold Niger's Latin poem dates the events according to the Jewish calendar and portrays William as an observant Jew. Count William was son of a Frankish Count of Septimania named Theoderic, leading Zuckerman to conclude that Theoderic was none other than Makhir, and that the well-documented descendants of Theoderic embodied a dynasty of Franco-Judeic kings of Narbonne, representing the union of the lineage of the exilarchs with that of Martel's Carolingians...However, this underlying chain of identifications has been shown to be flawed, a negative opinion shared by other scholars, while the broader suggestions of a Jewish principality in Southern France have likewise been refuted.
Where is that?


(Thanks to BT)



Anonymous said...

This is a marriage line from Lisboa (Lisborn, Portugal) to the frontier of the New World. It stopped briefly in Mexico for a a couple generations or so but the inquisition started up there and they had the Spanish lists, so they left and came to the New Mexico area. There were (from memory, so double check this) about 16 founding families of New Mexico and all but two were reportedly either converses or cypto-jews, with many that preserved some traditions to this day and others that were told straight that they were Jews. Oneady said she was told when she was older, but the warning was that it wasn't safe to tell people yet (just after WWII). I'll give you a portion of my geneaology, which should help if you're looking for Princes of the House of David (Ha-Da'ud). Hope this helps. The lineage should be easy to confirm through documentation.

See next post above...

Anonymous said...

Yehudah ibn Yahya ibn Ya'ish Prince (of David)

Don (or Lord in Spanish) Yoseph "Hazaken" ben Yehudah ibn Yahya ibn Yahya

Don Shlomo Ha-Zaken ben Yoseph ibn Yahya A.K.A. Shlomo Ha-Zaken

Don Gedalia ben Shlomo ibn Yahyā Hazaken Yochanan, chief physician of King Ferdinand the Fair King known as Henry the First of Castillo

Moses Gedalia ben Yochanan at Lisboa/Lisborn Portugal, married about 1351

Judah ben Moses ben Yochanan Navarro

Judah ben Yochanan Navarro chief treasurer of King Pedro

Moises Navarro II

Pedro de Navarra Navarro

Juan Pedro Navarro Treviño

Juan Navarro Sanchez

Juan Navarro Suarez II