Sunday, December 25, 2016

Another Beinart Bummer

In this clip at CNN, at around 3:50, Peter Beinart (who is grossly repetitive, interrupts and acts as if it is his own interview show) "explains" his position contra "settlements", Jewish ones, that is, what are Jewish communities in Judea and Samaria, Yesha, the heartland of the historic Jewish national homeland recognized by the world as the place where Jews were to be safeguarded the right to "close settlement".

He notes that Arabs residing in Judea and Samaria are under military law, lack free movement, are not citizens in the state they live and lack the right to vote for the government of their country and which Jews have all those rights. And see his imaginary 'Point F' here as well as this view:

the reality of what happens when you hold millions of people for more than 40 years as noncitizens in the places in which they were born."

He goes further and pushes the line that many of the communities are built on land individually owned by private Palestinians and that land is taken from them which is, he asserts, morally wrong and bad for Israel.

By the way, at 9:10 he claims Binyamin Netanyahu has "not put a map on the table".

Of course, the last map placed on the table for the Arabs was Ehud Olmert and Mahmoud Abbas ignored it and never came back to negotiate on it.  And Beinart ignores the 10-month long moratorium on construction in the Yesha communities by Netanyahu that did not in the least motivate Abbas and other terrorists to negotiate.

For Beinart, as I understand him, Zionism has become corrosive, untenable from a liberal outlook.

I have dealt with other issues he raises and I have left comments at his previous OpenZion site, so I'll be brief.

This latching on to a 'citizen' construct is false.  To take it to the extreme, millions of American expats do not necessarily vote in their residential countries but they are not oppressed.  Well, they might be if they tried to turn part of England into America or take up arms to fight for some consumer privilege and sabotage grocery stores.

Arabs resident in Judea and Samaria are not citizens of Israel. True.

But they do vote, when Abbas wishes, for their "own government" which is the Palestinian Authority. Even outside of Area A, the Arabs could vote is Abbas would stop, for a decade, putting elections off, even indefinitely.

Of course, if Israel extended its sovereignty to all are parts of the area, that would solve one civil rights concern of Beinart but he is opposed to that out of his love for Israel's future.

The military law is in place not because of Israel but due to the lack of willingness of the leadership of the local Arabs to engage in serious negotiations (in fact, ever since the 1920s onwards). They have rejected a legislative council, several partition plans, an Allon Plan, a Begin autonomy plan, Madrid maneuvers, Clinton parameters, Barak and Olmert surrenders and more.

As for the last point of private ownership, most of the land was state or waste land, being, in 1948, at least 75% of the total.  Claims otherwise are obfuscation on the part of Arabs, many who hold so-called deeds to collectively-held village land or tracts handed out by a previous very illegal occupier: Jordan.

Again as usual, starting with his book, one that has been criticized and by many, Beinart plays a liberal/progressive trope which is one that is misrepresented and hollow.

Why do too many follow his piping?



I caught this at CAMERA on the issue of whether the vote was a precedent or not mentioned in the on-air discussion:

First, the new resolution is not really new – it is in many ways a repeat of Resolution 465 (1980), though the 1980 resolution actually went further by demanding that Israel dismantle settlements. Specifically, in Res. 465 the Security Council:
5. Determines that all measures taken by Israel to change the physical character, demographic composition, institutional structure or status of the Palestinian and other Arab territories occupied since 1967, including Jerusalem, or any part thereof, have no legal validity and that Israel's policy and practices of settling parts of its population and new immigrants in those territories constitute a flagrant violation of the Fourth Geneva Convention relative to the Protection of Civilian Persons in Time of War and also constitute a serious obstruction to achieving a comprehensive, just and lasting peace in the Middle East;
6. Strongly deplores the continuation and persistence of Israel in pursuing those policies and practices and calls upon the Government and people of Israel to rescind those measures, to dismantle the existing settlements and in particular to cease, on an urgent basis, the establishment, construction and planning of settlements in the Arab territories occupied since 1967, including Jerusalem;
7. Calls upon all States not to provide Israel with any assistance to be used specifically in connexion with settlements in the occupied territories;

The Carter administration voted for the resolution, though a few days later President Carter claimed that this was due to a communications error, and that he had wanted his ambassador to abstain (meaning the resolution would have still passed). See also here for Secretary of State Cyrus Vance's explanation.



Shtrudel said...

Beinart, like much of the left and the anti-Zionists, NEEDS his lies because otherwise his arguments hold no water!!!

Shtrudel said...

The reason too many follow his piping is that people are predisposed to believe things they already hold to be true... Or things that seem to be true based on their own biased understanding...

This is why the MSM lies regarding Israel are so pernicious... This is also the reason why people believe "false news" items...

Take the latest Israel/Pakistan example... The Pakistanis are sending a contingent to Syria/Iraq... Somebody on the web created a false news item claiming that Israel opposes this and would act against it...

The Pakistanis take the fake news at face value (completely overlooking the fact that the Israeli defense minister allegedly behind the policy isn't even the current minister)...