Neturei Karta Follow-up

I am a member of the MailJewish list since 1990, I think.

Recently there was some discussion about the theological and political underpinnings of those Jews calling themselves Neturei Karta.

Since I have related to them recently, I figured the following would be interesting for some people reading this blog.

From: Yisrael Medad
Date: Fri, 07 Apr 2006 15:04:31 +0200
Subject: Neturei Karta

SBA provides us with the source for the claim that:

>>the Satmar Rebbe in the abovementioned sefer CLEARLY writes against any
>>idea of handing Israel over to the Arabs

which can be found in
>>"the Hakdomo [p. 8 column 2 - at the bottom]" of "VaYoel Moshe"
{here's a selection of it}

I checked. And yes, this appears (original Hebrew followed by my translation):

"elah sh'tzrichin l'rachamei shamayim sh't'chalah ota hamalchut ach v'rak al y'dei koach m'l'malah m'et Hashem Yitbarech Shmo, lo al y'dei ha'umot ki im chas v'chalila yihyeh al y'dei ha'umot hi sakan g'dola l'yisrael kamuvan, v'Hashem Yitbarech Shmo y'rachem aleinu v'al kol ami Yisrael"

[however, we need the grace of heaven that would do away with that regime but only through the power of G-d, not by any of the nations for that, G-d forbid, would be a great danger to the Jewish people certainly, and G-d should have pity on us and all of Israel]

On the face of it, quite clear. Of course, just a few lines above, Reb Yoelisch notes that the extistence of the state of Israel is delaying Redemption and the coming of Mashiach, which would seem to be a very serious charge of guilt. He further stipulates that we Jews have no right to leave the Galut to attach ourselves to that state which is linked to the Samech-Mem. Nevertheless, I am not quite sure that someone could not interpret his words as that the danger is not specifically to Jews living in the land of Israel but foremost for the all of Jewry, which someone could take to mean Satmar Jews living in Brooklyn and Stamford Hill and Antwerp but I leave that up to the listmates.

If, though, we turn to page 126, first column, Reb Yoelisch becomes ambiguous again. There he defends the right of his followers to protest, fociferously, the existence of the state of Israel even by involving other nations. This, I would suggest, comes close to granting permission for NKers to assume that they can go to Iran and Durban, etc. After all, all is in the hands of Hashem.

Here's the source (he is referring to protesting over the monies that the state gets by raising funds for the Bonds that is done in all the countries and we might fear to protest publicly because of the nations and that all parties, including the religious ones, receive and therefore all partake in the abomination) I am starting from the 17th line from the top with necessary skips:

"v'zeh mo'il lifamim...v'chol ha'umot yodin sh'b'yisrael ein Torah v'ein Emunah...v'lachen k'shyesh tza'aka u'mech'ah bachutz neged zeh ad sh'shom'in gam ha'umot...v'ein chashash klal sh'yagi'ah eizeh nezek mizeh...v'ein safek sh'yesh lachshov efsharut sh'yiyeh ulai ktzat to'elet b'mech'ot ka'eleh".

[and this, at times, can be helpful...as all the Goyishe nations know that in Israel there is no Torah nor Faith...and therefore, when there is a shout and protest outside against this (fundraising) until even non-Jews become aware...and there is no concern that there will evolve any damage as a result of this...and there is no doubt that one can presume that there is perhaps some benefit in activities such as these]

In addition, on page 338, 5th line of second column, RY writes, alluding to the Talmud that one who can protest but doesn't, is called Wicked.

In my very humble opinion, any average NKer and even a few Satmars could easily presume that going to Iran, in addition to demonstrating on the streets of Manhattan, is sanctioned by Reb Yoelisch's thinking and philosophy. After all, all they are doing is arranging for HKBH to destroy the state of Israel and He will probably save all the Jews anyway, as long as those non-Jewish nations before whom the NKers shout and protest won't do anything about Israel that has no Torah nor Faith.