Thursday, October 17, 2024

To Be "Occupied Territory", It Must Have Been Part of a State

Are the so-called "Palestinian territories", that is Judea and Samaria, "occupied"?

Here is a section from Principles of International Law, by Hans Kelsen, 1952
The principle that enemy territory occupied by a belligerent in course of war remains the territory of the state against which the war is directed, can apply only as long as this community still exists as a state within the meaning of international law. This is hardly the case if, after occupation of the whole territory of an enemy state, its armed forces are completely defeated to that no further resistance is possible and its national government is abolished by the victorious state. Then the vanquished community is deprived of one of the essential elements of a state in the sense of international law: an effective and independent government, and hence has lost its character as a state. If the territory is not to be considered a stateless territory, it must be considered to be under the sovereignty of the occupant belligerent, which—in such a case—ceases to be restricted by the rules concerning belligerent occupation. This was the case with the territory of the German Reich occupied in the Second World War after the complete defeat and surrender of its armed forces. In view of the fact that the last national government of the German Reich was abolished, it may be assumed that this state ceased to exist as a subject of international law. If a belligerent state ceases legally to exist as an effect of the defeat, as, e.g., the Austro-Hungarian Monarchy in the First World War, or the German Reich in the Second World War, no peace treaty or any other treaty can be concluded with this state for the purpose of transferring the territory concerned, or parts of it, to the victorious or any other state.
On the territory of the abolished state a new state or some new states may be established. This was the case with the territory of the defeated Austro-Hungarian Monarchy, which was the territory of two united states. On this territory the Czechoslovakian and the Austrian Republics, and part of Poland have been established. This is also the case with the territory of the German Reich on which two new states came into existence; the western German state, called the Federal Republic of Germany; and the eastern German State, called the German Democrat. Republic. But the new state or the new states, which have not been at war with the victorious state, cannot conclude a peace treaty and are not entitled to dispose of other territory but their own. That the Austrian Republic was forced to conclude a peace treaty with the Allied and Associated Powers, although this new state was not at war with the states which by their victory brought the Austro-Hungarian Monarchy to dismemberment, and that the Austrian Republic was forced to dispose in this treaty of territory of the disappeared state which never was territory of the Austrian Republic, was based on the fiction that the Austrian Republic was identical with the Austrian Monarchy. In the case of the German Reich, the governments of the occupant powers maintained the fiction; that it continued to exist even after the abolishment of its last national government, and on the basis of this fiction it was assumed that the territory of the German Reich occupied by the four victorious powers was not under their sovereignty, but remained under the sovereignty of the German Reich. But the administration of the occupied territory was in no way in conformity with the rules concerning belligerent occupation. 
It sounds like Kelsen is arguing that Israel wouldn't have had any legal reason to follow the Geneva Conventions laws of occupation in the territories. They were not considered Jordanian or Egyptian territory and they certainly weren't "Palestinian". To apply the humanitarian components of Geneva is proper, of course, and Israel voluntarily did so. But this sounds to me that even if you hold that the prohibition of "transfer" of a population to the territory includes voluntary relocation, that this would not apply to the West Bank or Gaza after 1967.

There was a discussion in the UN's Law Commission  in relation to the Draft Declaration on Rights and Duties of States about the whether all conquest is forbidden or not. James Brierly, the great American authority on international law, suggested making clear that the ban on territorial acquisition only applied to illegal war, and the motion was adopted by the drafting committee. 
I Yearbook Int law commission 143 (1949)

Similarly, when there were quibbles about whether annexation is always banned, or whether there might be various exceptions, the Secretary observed: “It might be suggested that in order to constitute a crime under international law an annexation must be carried out through the use of armed force, with a view to destroying the territorial integrity of another State”  I Yearbook 137 (1950)

It is not surprising France and other major countries wanted to make clear that annexation and title by conquest were not ALWAYS forbidden: most European frontiers were substantially revised 1947-50 in favor of the victors/victims of WWII, and against the loosers/other victims.

I don’t think you will find any pre-’67 international law treatise that says that the laws of belligerent occupation apply to non-sovereign territory. The question had not been raised so it was probably not addressed in many treatises, but that’s because the answer was blindingly obvious and it was exactly the opposite of what everyone says about Israel today.

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12 comments:

Anonymous said...

Heckler, at Kamala, seems to be linked to cabal of Arab lobbies on Wikipedia groups (or resembling), determined to push the G word.

The network is divided: does Kamala Harris believe that there is a so called "geno#cide" in Gaza or does she agree about the suffering of the Palestinians?
https://justsayingitoutloloud.blogspot.com/2024/10/heckler-at-kamala-seems-to-be-linked-to.html

Anonymous said...

PALLYWEID:
FAKE
"apartheidgenocide"
Made
In
PALLYWOOD.

Hyperbolic FAKE drama terminology since Oct 1961 by pro-Hitler Ahmad Shukeiri who wrote that the Arab “Palestinians” celebrated, prayed for Nazis’ victory and had justified the Holocaust in 1946. A default false language: What's left is to altar definitions and/or reality.
https://archive.ph/zZyYQ/38b909dcdab13c23d9c975a22faddf1dd4894c0a.jpg



Anonymous said...

2nd purpose of the "law suit" by the Arab "Palestinian " action via 21 residents in CA, is to push the libel, to repeat the Pallyweid (pallywoody invented terminology), such as the G word, re Arab Palestinian regime orchestrated deaths via its human shields tactics who only keep being motivated by this slander.


Lawsuit seeks to ban Congressmen from voting for military aid to Israel.
21 California residents sue Democratic Reps. Mike Thompson and Jared Huffman for voting in favor of a military aid package to Israel, claiming the suffered emotional harm from the vote.
Israel National News. Jan 3, 2025.
https://www.israelnationalnews.com/news/401745

Anonymous said...

https://trove.nla.gov.au/newspaper/article/34497311

Fighting pallywood lies since 1929.

The following is Britain's fight. 1930.

____


06 May 1930 - WHY BRITAIN STAYS IN PALESTINE. - Trove


Newspapers & Gazettes Browse Western Argus (Kalgoorlie, WA : 1916 - 1938). Tue 6 May 1930. Page 2

Western Argus. 06 May 1930 - "WHY BRITAIN STAYS IN PALESTINE."

The terrible murders and outrages in Palestine last August with the slaughter of harmless women and children, and the burning and destruction of property caused a wave of horror and disgust throughout the world.

The British Goverment, taking the only course possible, appointed a Committee of Investigation into the cause of the outrages; but long before it had a chance to make its report the campaign re-opened in Britain for the Government either to throw up the Palestine Mandate.
or for the nation to go back on its pledged word ahd abandon its policy of giving facilities to the Jews to re-establish themselves in their ancestral homeland.

The actual facts, therefore, should be presented.

[...]

* It has been said that the Arabs are "not out against the Jews, but against the predominance of the Zionist Jews." The fact is that of the 130 Jews who were slaughtered in the riots last August, 65 of them had nothing whatever to do with the
Zionist colonies, but were members of families who had been settled in Palestine before the Balfour Declaration was made.

Indeed, all who know Palestine, and are honest, admit that, if every Zionist Jew left the country; it would be the turn of the Christians next.

Anonymous said...

Mobs VS Scared Female Hostage: Again, Only Haaretz (Haaretzism) Was Desperate To Whtewash Guilty Ordinary "Palestinian" Arabs.
1.30.25

On Jan 30, 2025, seeing footage of thousands, literally, of bloodthirsty Gazans, cheering, mobs attacking scared hostage 29 civilian woman Yehud Arbel, it reminded the pre Israelis response 'Oct 7 war': masses of Gazans gloating cheering, celebrating on that fateful day.

Reaffirming the shocking 'secret' no one dares to talk about: the lack of innocent among ordinary Arab "Palestinians".

I Google searched for "arbel scared," guess who whitewashed the guilty "Palestinians"?

Even Hamas' mouthpiece and linked, Qatar's Al Jazeera didn't appear on the screen for this despicable propaganda at this early moment.

Only one site was like a thorn on display. The infamous twisted hate site HAARETZ. The dreadful line of Haaretzism: in justifying Arab racism and Islamic bigotry- the motivation and engine for anti Israel, anti Jewish atrocities.

https://archive.ph/8BF9K/c5d0f13d1c9ae49294aa7258f2f95585e9e58ec0.jpg

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