Monday, July 08, 2019

Who Is Being Disingenuous?

Many tout the Two-State Solution (drum-roll in the background) as the sole possibility to resolve the Arabs' conflict with Zionism, Jews and Israel.

There is no other alternative.

In response to one such article, I sent the author this:

I think allowing the Arabs of the Palestinian National Authority a quarter-of-a-century to prove they are capable and willing to both negotiate seriously and build-up state institutions while proving their desire for peace is enough and is quite a contemporary reality.

To which the author replied:

No people has ever been put through these hoops before, certainly not Israeli Jews before independence. None of them would have passed the test. The colonial mentality that developed in Israel following the triumph of the 1967 war and the inception of occupation that gave rise to such tests is by far the greater problem. But I understand that it's difficult to see that from the inside. I have always tried to work to the principle that if one's argument coincides with one's desires (or perceived interests), be suspicious of the argument. I recommend it as a useful guide to whether an argument is disingenuous or not.Over and I suggest out.

Since the author signed out of the attempted dialogue, I'll respond here:

First, the Jews actually were subjected to "hoops".   Annually.

The British Mandatory regime was required to submit reports on the progress the Jews were making as regards constructing their future state in all aspects: immigration, settlement, finances, etc.  Here's one from 1939 submitted to the Permanent Mandates Commission. Here's the prepared questionnaire. And some of its questions:


What measures have been taken to place the country under such political, administrative and economic conditions as will secure the establishment of the national home for the Jewish people?

What measures have been taken to place the country under such political, administrative and economic conditions as will secure the development of self-governing institutions?

What measures have been taken to place the country under such political, administrative and economic conditions as will safeguard the civil and religious rights of all the inhabitants of Palestine, irrespective of race and religion?

What are the effects of these measures?
What measures have been taken to encourage local autonomy?

When and in what manner has the Jewish agency been officially recognised?

What is the nature and extent of the co-operation of this agency with the Administration of Palestine in economic, social and other matters?
In what manner has this agency taken part in the development of the country (statistics of the results obtained)?

There's a new book devoted to the Commission with dozens of pages on Palestine.

And actually, they passed the test as proven by the UNSCOP report of 1947 and the recommendation to establish an independent Jewish state in 1947.  Yes, the Arab state was also recommended but as we all know, they failed the most simplets of tests: accepting that recommendation. 

As for "colonial mentality", that is actually the contining of the original resettlement of the Land of Israel. The League of Nations charged the Mandatory to guarantee "close settlement" for Jews in, at least, all the territory between the Jordan River and the Mediterranean Sea.

And as regards the throwaway "disingenuous" dig, I return it. There are those who claim to be neutral observers, disengaged, looking from the outside but they are in their own ideological/political constructs which bear little connection either to historical truth or the actual course of events, whether a century ago or today.

Or is it just ignorance by one pretending scholarship and intelligence - that is lacking?


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5 comments:

Justme said...

It is ironic that the Jewish people living under the Mandate of Palestine were in 25 years able to create a viable independent state, while the Arabs living in Mandate Palestine did not during the same period, and did not during the 19 years between 1948 and 1967. Nor within the 26 years since the signing of the Oslo Accords have the Palestinians put themselves in a position to form an independent and viable Palestinian state even though they have received billions of dollars of assistance and much political support.

Why? While the Jewish people desired to build up and reconstitute their nation, the Arabs sought to prevent and then destroy the Israeli state instead of building up and having their own state.

If one reads the Palestinians' own survey reports (PSR), more than 50% of the Palestinians do not want a two state solution and the Palestinians choose violence over negotiations and non-violent protest as their number one method of solving the conflict.

In these conditions it is difficult to see any solution, much less a two state solution, to the conflict. What is worse, any two state solution would be used by some Palestinians as a springboard to furthering the conflict (as they did with the Oslo Accords) and not as a means of creating a sustainable peace.

At some point Israel must decide to move on without the Palestinians and determine what it is going to do.

Mr. Cohen said...

Mr. Ariel Ben Solomon said:

“During the past year-and-a-half,
he [Yigal Carmon] explained,
MEMRI concentrated on monitoring
sermons by imams
[Muslim preachers] across America.

The results from a random sample
of over 100 imams, he said,
were shocking.

The sermons were laced with incitement
to kill Jews, support for global
jihad and hard-core misogyny.

A few imams, he said,
preached tolerance and coexistence,
but they were a small minority.”

SOURCE:
Supremacists and Jihadis form
two-pronged attack threatening Jews in USA

by Ariel Ben Solomon, 2019 June 26
www.jns.org/memri-adds-white-supremacism-to-its-research-of-the-jihadi-threat/

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Alexander H. Joffe [a Middle East Historian] said:

“Increasingly, discrimination against
Jews is regarded as legitimate, whether
or not there is any connection to Israel.”

SOURCE:
BDS Spreads Through Community Organizations
and K-12 by Alexander Joffe, 2019 July 2
www.algemeiner.com/2019/07/02/bds-spreads-through-community-organizations-and-k-12/

===================================

Alexander H. Joffe
[a Middle East Historian] said:


Similarly, neo-Nazis in Germany have begun
using the phrase “Israel is our misfortune,”
a sentiment that converges with the German
[Leftist] Green Party’s explicit support for BDS.

The crossover between the two streams
was seen recently when a founder of
the Green Party spoke at a neo-Nazi event.

SOURCE: BDS Spreads Through Community
Organizations and K-12 by Alexander Joffe, 2019 July 2
www.algemeiner.com/2019/07/02/bds-spreads-through-community-organizations-and-k-12/

Mr. Cohen said...

Mr. Dennis Prager said:

“…as a rule, religious Jews are
more committed to Jewish survival.

One recent example:

During the height of the Palestinian terror,
while secular Jewish organizations cancelled
their youth trips to Israel, the Orthodox did not.

SOURCE: Ignoring G-d
by Dennis Prager Kosher Spirit
magazine, Fall 2003 edition
www.ok.org/kosherspirit/fall-2003/ignoring-g-d/

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Mr. John Rossomando said:

“[IUMS Trustee Sheikh Hassan Ould]
Aldo and the [Muslim] Brotherhood
use language similar to what Hamas
used in its original charter,
which rejected any peaceful coexistence.

To them, Palestine is part of a
waqf, a holy Islamic trust,
that no person can negotiate away.”

SOURCE: Muslim Brotherhood,
Hamas: No Peace as Long as Israel Exists

by Mr. John Rossomando, 2019 July 1
www.algemeiner.com/2019/07/01/muslim-brotherhood-hamas-no-peace-as-long-as-israel-exists/

===================================

Mr. Yaakov Lappin [a military and
strategic affairs correspondent] said:


“An Iranian network of terrorist cells is spread
out around the world, ready for activation at any time….”
.................................................

“The Iranians have built up a wide-reaching network of radical surrogates that extends beyond the Middle East. Members of this network range from hierarchical terror armies like Hezbollah, armed with massive arsenals of projectiles, to sleeper terrorist cells active in Europe, North America, and Latin America.”
.................................................

“This would explain the discovery and recent announcement of a Hezbollah bomb factory in London. It appears highly likely that the bombs were intended for Hezbollah cells intent on attacking Israeli targets in Britain.”
.................................................

“Past incidents have seen [Iran-backed] Hezbollah operatives scope out Israeli targets in countries as far away as Peru.”

SOURCE: Iran Is Preparing
a Worldwide Terror Network

by Mr. Yaakov Lappin by 2019 July 3
www.algemeiner.com/2019/07/03/iran-is-preparing-a-worldwide-terror-network/

Mr. Cohen said...

Uzi Baruch wrote:

Tunisian Prime Minister Youssef Chahed
has banned the wearing of the niqab
[Islamic] face-veil in public institutions
“for security reasons.”

SOURCE: Tunisia bans the niqab
Muslim face cover in public
by Uzi Baruch,
5/7/2019 for Israel National News
www.IsraelNationalNews.com/News/News.aspx/265566

QUESTION: When will Europe and North America
follow their example, and wisely ban the niqab?

===================================

Mr. Stephen M. Flatow [an attorney
in New Jersey and father of Alisa Flatow,
who was murdered in an Iranian-sponsored
Palestinian terrorist attack in 1995] said:


“…Israel ended its rule over 98 percent [98%]
of the Palestinian Arabs back in [year] 1995.

It is the Palestinian Authority that rules them.

The gang [of political Far-Leftists
and Progressives and Socialists] knows
that Israel does not rule the area.
...........................................................

So why do the Progressive Networkers
persist in promoting the fantasy
that Israel rules over the Arabs?

Because demonizing Israel as the
occupier galvanizes their followers.

It gives them something to be upset about…”

SOURCE: Ten Jewish groups unite
against Israeli democracy
by Stephen M. Flatow
www.jns.org/opinion/ten-jewish-groups-unite-against-israeli-democracy/

===================================
Evelyn Gordon [a journalist living in Israel] said:

“Palestinians’ rights matter when
targeted by Israel, but not when
targeted by the Palestinian Authority.

And Israeli rights never matter,
except when violated by Israel.”

SOURCE: When human rights
become acceptable collateral damage

by Evelyn Gordon, 2019 July 3
www.jns.org/opinion/when-human-rights-become-acceptable-collateral-damage/

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