Wednesday, July 31, 2019

Stephen Wise's 'Fallacious Reasoning"

In this September 23, 1929 Memorandum by the Chief of the Division of Near Eastern Affairs, Gardiner Howland Shaw, who rose to become Deputy Secretary of State, some 7 weeks after the riots in Mandate Palestine, he details being contacted by Rabbi Stephen S. Wise. Wise, then head of Keren Hayesod, wanted to know the views of the Secretary of State, Henry L. Stimson, no friend of Jews and Zionism, "with respect to the American Zionists retaining the services of a prominent American lawyer to assist in presenting the Jewish point of view before the Shaw Commission of Investigation".

Wise pointed out that as American citizens had been murdered during those riots and their property damaged, "this move would be eminently proper". 

The response:


The Secretary said he could see no objection to Rabbi Wise’s suggestion, it being distinctly understood that the American lawyer chosen had no official status and that the steps necessary to enable him to appear before the Shaw Commission should be taken by the American Zionist Organization in collaboration with the Jewish Agency in London and the British Colonial Office. 

It was pointed out to Rabbi Wise that the presenting of the Jewish or Zionist point of view before the Commission of Investigation was one thing and the presentation before the competent authorities of private claims for damages on account of the killing of American citizens was something quite different and the two should not be confused. It was suggested to Rabbi Wise that to argue that because eight American citizens had been killed in Palestine therefore the American Government was under some sort of obligation to assist in presenting the Zionist side before the Commission of Investigation was clearly fallacious reasoning

Why should the American Government assist in presenting either the Jewish or the Arab side? If on the other hand the competent Zionist authorities desired to retain the services of an American, a German or a Polish lawyer to assist Sir F. Boyd Merriman, that was entirely a matter to be settled through the Jewish Agency and the Colonial Office.


The reply was marked “O K” by the Secretary of State.

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6 comments:

Mr. Cohen said...

I humbly suggest that Stephen S. Wise
should be referred to as “Reform Rabbi
Stephen S. Wise”, so nobody will
confuse him with a real Rabbi.

Mr. Cohen said...

Dylan Timm said this on 2017 December 8:

“I used to want to convert via Reform Judaism.

But after being near insulted by a Reform rabbi for accepting that the Exodus was a real event, I've never gone close to one since. When I finally have the money to move near a synagogue, it'll sure as heck be a proper Orthodox one.”

SOURCE: blog comment found on:
http://haemtza.blogspot.com/2017/12/birthright-why-reform-judaism-is-failing.html

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Michael Lumish PhD said this on 2018 February 7:

Because Reform Judaism - which is the tradition that I grew up in - has essentially merged with the Democratic Party in the US it has become what we could call "Intersectional Judaism."

Intersectionalized, progressive-left racists and bigots see "whiteness" and Zionism and masculinity as something akin to evil, which is why they see us as something akin to evil.

Thus many politically-inclined Reform Jews find themselves on the horns of a dilemma.

They can either support their own people, the Jewish people, or they can support a political movement which has turned against them.

I will go with the former.

SOURCE:
https://israel-thrives.blogspot.com/2018/02/poster-of-rasmea-odeh.html

Mr. Cohen said...

“According to [Michael] Medved … you rarely find more than four consecutive generations of secular or Reform Jews.

When a Jew breaks with traditional Judaism, his children or grandchildren either will intermarry and raise their own children as non-Jews or indifferent Jews, so that the line of the family disappears from the people Israel – or they will return to the Judaism he thought he helped them escape.

Thus the typical Reform Jew has an Orthodox predecessor no more than three generations back.”

SOURCE: The Lord Will Gather Me In:
My Journey to Jewish Orthodoxy

(chapter 2, page 15) by David Klinghoffer, year 1998 CE,
published by Free Press, ISBN 0-7432-4267-X

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“An invention of the Reform movement, the notion of “confirming” young Jews at age fifteen is borrowed from Christianity.

A sort of Judaized First Communion...”

SOURCE: The Lord Will Gather Me In: My Journey
to Jewish Orthodoxy
(chapter 4, page 52) by David Klinghoffer,
year 1998 CE, published by Free Press, ISBN 0-7432-4267-X

===================================

“...the Reform movement represented by your local Reform temple has its roots in social ambition, in this case among German Jews.

The scholar I. Grunfeld identifies three stages in the early history of Reform. The first, naïve stage was initiated in 1810 at Seesen, Westphalia, where a group of wealthy Jews opened the original Reform temple.

The service was intended to simulate Christian prayer, complete with church bells.”

SOURCE: The Lord Will Gather Me In: My Journey
to Jewish Orthodoxy
(chapter 3, page 37) by David Klinghoffer,
year 1998 CE, published by Free Press, ISBN 0-7432-4267-X

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Who is Mr. Cohen?

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