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With the battles in Gaza possibly reaching their zenith and talk of a cease-fire apparently more serious, what will Israel have achieved from this war? The eradication of Hamas, an Iranian pawn and a terrorist organization bent on Israel’s destruction, would have been ideal. But was that ever Israel’s goal?

Ehud Olmert, humbled by unfulfilled promises from the 2006 war, has been studiously ambiguous. Some Israeli commentators believe that Hamas rule could be ended. But many Israelis are not so certain. They may also not be willing to pay the price that such a victory would exact.

If Hamas does remain in control, how might the war leave the region altered for the better? Here, the United States has a key role to play. Barack Obama, who has been mostly silent, has said that he will soon have much to say about the war in Gaza. It will be interesting to see how firm he’ll be with the major players. At the very least, this is what they need to hear.

To Hamas: Recognize Israel’s right to exist, publicly and in Arabic, cease smuggling arms and firing missiles on Israel’s civilians, and embrace transparent democracy, and we will work with you. But until you renounce your commitment to Israel’s destruction, you will remain to Israel what Al Qaeda is to America and we will unwaveringly support Israel’s right to defend its citizens.

To the Palestinians: We recognize your unrelenting suffering. But you must take responsibility for your destiny. Hamas has dragged you into this conflict, in cruel disregard of your welfare. When you elect a leadership committed to peace, we will invest heavily to help you realize your legitimate aspirations.

To Egypt and Jordan: Egypt must seal the tunnels that make Hamas’ military exploits possible. The failure of the two-state solution is as dangerous for you as it is for anyone else. Increasingly, it is said that because the Palestinians cannot govern themselves, Gaza should revert to Egypt, the West Bank to Jordan. Vocally and aggressively supporting moderate Palestinians is the role you have to play.

To the international community: We need both balanced rhetoric and wiser policy. Hamas has fired rockets at Israel for years, yet there was silence. Why the outrage now? The U.N., too, contributes to the crisis. Under its watch in Lebanon, Hezbollah has completely rearmed. The European Union never objected to UNRWA, the United Nations’s relief agency for Palestinians in the Middle East, classifying newborns in Gaza as refugees, creating an incentive for birth rates that Gaza cannot support. (Half of Gaza’s population is now under 15 years of age.)

To Israel: While our alliance is unshakable, you must give Palestinians cause for hope. If Gaza’s leadership changes, open the crossings and help Gazans transcend their unremitting poverty. And all illegal West Bank settlements must be dismantled without delay. Successive Israeli governments have committed to taking action, but have done virtually nothing. If no Israeli government can muster the courage for political risk, why should anyone else? Your survival depends on your courage, not only in battle, but in building Palestinian trust. Israel’s youth will not remain in Israel if they believe that the conflict can never end.



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Daniel writes: ” And all illegal West Bank settlements must be dismantled without delay.” While many would perhaps view his use of “illegal” as delineating between “legal” and “illegal” and, therefore, coming out in support for some continued Jewish civilian presence of a revenant nature, I felt uneasy in that anyone could term a Jewish presence anywhere in the area of the Jewish homeland as “illegal”. There can never be anything “illegal” about a Jews living in his homeland. Perhaps, unauthorized or unzoned. After all, could one define an Arab living “illegally”? (I am not talking about not obtaining a building license but rather, say, Um el-Fahm is an illegal Arab village).

The legality of such does not need to come from the Bible, although it does, or from history of Jewish residencey from the Golan to Gaza over the centuries, despite occupation by foreign regimes, persecution and the rest, although it does but, for instance, from an internationally lawful decision by the Versailles Peace Conference in 1919, by the San Remo Conference in 1920 and in the League of Nations’ Supreme Council decision in 1922-23. And, by the way, the territory alloted to the Jews for the reconstitution of their historic National Home, until the British decided to place a Saudi Arabian refugee as Emir of TransJordan, included both sides of the Jordan River (which means that we Jews/Zionists have been compromising on territory for almost 90 years now, without succor from Arab hostility. “Peace for Territories” doesn’t work).

I live in Shiloh and no one can tell me that I am an illegal presence here, where the Tabernacle served as the main worship site for over three centuries, where the tribal portions were divided out, where Hanna prayed for a son, where priests, prophets and kings walked (and we do have archeological - scientific evidence for that).

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Let me ask you again. Do you honestly believe that God wanted you to return to the land and take it BY FORCE, and KILL thousands of innocent people and mistreat millions of others?
Do you believe you can build your happiness on misery of others?

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I strongly feel I should answer that only if you identify yourself. Hiding behind a mask of anonymity is cowardice. You have your opinions, speak them out publicly. Sniping is not fair.

But my answer would have to be: I don't ask questions that presume the answer. Where the "killed thousands"? Only they are miserable and only I happy? You're not only prejudiced but wicked. It's like "how many times did you slap your wife last night?" when the answer is a) i'm not married and b) i was with my mother last night.

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I added you are my friend on facebook, I am not hiding behind any mask, nor did i intend too. And i don't see how does it matter. And hey you didn't answer my question.
Is this what God meant for you to do? When God "gave" you this land. I don't presume anything, just really want to understand your thinking.

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My belief is that the Jewish people belong in the Land of Israel, whether your are religious because you assume there is a God, whether you are observant because you feel that morally that is the best system around or whether you are not observant but are simply a nationalist and the historical record is that the connection between Jews and their homeland is deep, cultural, and consistent over the centuries. And predates any other ethnic community now extant. To live in the Land is to be an example of a peaceful considerate existence and not to do harm to anyone.

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18,147 Palestinian homes demolished, millions of Palestinians with no land migrated, millions killed, millions live in occupation and poverty...... All this to the main part as a result of Zionist movement. Did all this have to happen so that you can "belong to the land of israel"?
"To live in the Land is to be an example of a peaceful considerate existence and not to do harm to anyone." This is great, where did you get it from? Only i think on your level, you misinterprete it. "To live in the Land" to me has more symbolic, than literal meaning. It means peaceful existance wherever you are. Which is sooooo not the case for you right now. So you are not "living in the Land"

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