This is a perfect symbol as for how Israeli society has lost every sense of morality. Celebrating a war and making songs about how all Israeli's without exception support this massacre. This truely disgusts me.
Well, there is in fact a positive side for a country to be able to come together when putting on the uniform. I'd say, regular training of reserve units is quite enough for that. Been there, done that. The disgusting part is that it indirectly celebrates what we very well know was a terrible destruction and tragedy brought upon thousands of Gazan civilians. Camaraderie itself is fine and will always be there in, I guess, any army.
Soviet Union came together to fight Nazi Germany in the WW2 on their land. Russia still listens to the songs from that time with tears on their eyes remembering the horrors of the war. This is not one of this kind of song.
Oh, come on, Galia, I also come from Russia. As if Russians did not have gung-ho songs too. And the atrocities that some Russian soldiers committed in Europe and Germany in particular... Let's not get carried away. This song itself is not terrible - I mean, it is bad poetry, but the content is not terrible - it is the context that is. And let's not forget who Rav Aviner is - although I suspect Yisrael likes him very much.
Actually, I don't think that highly of him for personal reasons and his heavy French accent is horrendous to my ears. I put up things because I like being eclectic and surprising.
Peter, I don't speak Hebrew so wouldn't know what this song is about. But there are many good old Russian songs about comradery and war hardships etc. Russia had to defend herself, the freedom and life of its people during WW2, that creates the context for the songs. But absolutely agree with you on atrocities in Europe and even inside Russia by its own government. Don't justify that and don't accept that. My grandmother used to say that German soldiers who occupied their village treated them better than the Communist during revolution times.
No? So, you'd wear all black and cover your hair? You'd willingly accept a sliced throat instead of a divorce if you thought your husband should not be your husband? You'd give birth every 2 years for 10 years straight? You'd let your son become a suicide bomber willingly? For this is what I meant.
BTW, so why don't you move to Teheran or South Lebanon (Gaza, we know, isn't the best place to be right now)? What are you or your husband have or do in Texas tht's more important than participating in the "resistance" or living a full Islamic life style?
Haha, we are living in different planets. I am married to a palestinian. He is more conservative or actully more traditional or conventional in his life style as compared to Americans for instance. I personally see this as a good thing. I don't have to wear black, i don't have to convert to Islam, therefore, i don't have to cover my hair. Islamic culture has evolved. Hijab wearing is not imposed, it's more voluntary than it used to be 50years ago. One of my sister-in-law wears it because she wants to, the other one doesn't. One of my friend's wife who is american converted to Islam and wears hijab because she wants to! There are Islamists and there are mainstream Muslims and these two should not be confused! Its like saying that marrieng your husbands brother, if you husband is dead is practiced untill this day among all Jews. No, right? The same applies to the rest of your questions. If women have children every 2 years, it may as well be an issue of birth control, there are evangelical christians who don't believe in that. Oh well, that's their religion. Let's not judge As for suicide bomber, you know from what i have seen, for example this http://www.btselem.org/english/Video/20081105_Policeman_butts_civilians_in_Silwan.asp
If someone does this to my mother, I would find the ways to get to the SOB and hurt him bad. So who am I to judge the people in Palestine, i don't know what they've been through.
Actually i wouldn't mind to move to South Lebanon, hopefully one day we will. And i don't know what you mean by "living a full islamic life style"? We practice our religion wherever we are. And to "resist" we don't necessary need to be there, right?
American born, my wife and I moved to Israel in 1970. We have lived at Shiloh together with our family since 1981. I was in the Betar youth movement in the US and UK. I have worked as a political aide to Members of Knesset and a Minister during 1981-1994, lectured at the Academy for National Studies 1977-1994, was director of Israel's Media Watch 1995-2000 and currently, I work at the Menachem Begin Heritage Center in Jerusalem. I was a guest media columnist on media affairs for The Jerusalem Post, op-ed contributor to various journals and for six years had a weekly media show on Arutz 7 radio. I serve as an unofficial spokesperson for the Jewish Communities in Judea & Samaria.
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This is a perfect symbol as for how Israeli society has lost every sense of morality. Celebrating a war and making songs about how all Israeli's without exception support this massacre. This truely disgusts me.
OMG this is disgusting.
Well, there is in fact a positive side for a country to be able to come together when putting on the uniform. I'd say, regular training of reserve units is quite enough for that. Been there, done that. The disgusting part is that it indirectly celebrates what we very well know was a terrible destruction and tragedy brought upon thousands of Gazan civilians. Camaraderie itself is fine and will always be there in, I guess, any army.
Soviet Union came together to fight Nazi Germany in the WW2 on their land.
Russia still listens to the songs from that time with tears on their eyes remembering the horrors of the war.
This is not one of this kind of song.
Oh, come on, Galia, I also come from Russia. As if Russians did not have gung-ho songs too. And the atrocities that some Russian soldiers committed in Europe and Germany in particular... Let's not get carried away.
This song itself is not terrible - I mean, it is bad poetry, but the content is not terrible - it is the context that is. And let's not forget who Rav Aviner is - although I suspect Yisrael likes him very much.
Actually, I don't think that highly of him for personal reasons and his heavy French accent is horrendous to my ears. I put up things because I like being eclectic and surprising.
Peter,
I don't speak Hebrew so wouldn't know what this song is about. But there are many good old Russian songs about comradery and war hardships etc. Russia had to defend herself, the freedom and life of its people during WW2, that creates the context for the songs.
But absolutely agree with you on atrocities in Europe and even inside Russia by its own government. Don't justify that and don't accept that. My grandmother used to say that German soldiers who occupied their village treated them better than the Communist during revolution times.
Galia, Yisrael has the translation linked in the beginning of this post. Don't wait with baited breath for Pushkin or even Kharitonov though :)
I don't see a reason to fear Hamas, or Ahmadenejad or Hisbullah.
No? So, you'd wear all black and cover your hair? You'd willingly accept a sliced throat instead of a divorce if you thought your husband should not be your husband? You'd give birth every 2 years for 10 years straight? You'd let your son become a suicide bomber willingly? For this is what I meant.
BTW, so why don't you move to Teheran or South Lebanon (Gaza, we know, isn't the best place to be right now)? What are you or your husband have or do in Texas tht's more important than participating in the "resistance" or living a full Islamic life style?
Haha, we are living in different planets. I am married to a palestinian.
He is more conservative or actully more traditional or conventional in his life style as compared to Americans for instance. I personally see this as a good thing.
I don't have to wear black, i don't have to convert to Islam, therefore, i don't have to cover my hair.
Islamic culture has evolved. Hijab wearing is not imposed, it's more voluntary than it used to be 50years ago. One of my sister-in-law wears it because she wants to, the other one doesn't. One of my friend's wife who is american converted to Islam and wears hijab because she wants to!
There are Islamists and there are mainstream Muslims and these two should not be confused!
Its like saying that marrieng your husbands brother, if you husband is dead is practiced untill this day among all Jews. No, right?
The same applies to the rest of your questions. If women have children every 2 years, it may as well be an issue of birth control, there are evangelical christians who don't believe in that. Oh well, that's their religion. Let's not judge
As for suicide bomber, you know from what i have seen, for example this
http://www.btselem.org/english/Video/20081105_Policeman_butts_civilians_in_Silwan.asp
If someone does this to my mother, I would find the ways to get to the SOB and hurt him bad.
So who am I to judge the people in Palestine, i don't know what they've been through.
Actually i wouldn't mind to move to South Lebanon, hopefully one day we will. And i don't know what you mean by "living a full islamic life style"? We practice our religion wherever we are. And to "resist" we don't necessary need to be there, right?
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