Holy Har Habayit!
Please see update below
Haaretz [has] (sorry had) this picture up, taken by a member of the Islamic Movement:-
let's try that source again.
and it writes there that:
The National Infrastructures Ministry said in a statement following Friday's 5.3-magnitude earthquake that the most recent tremors have increased fears about the possibility of a destructive earthquake taking place here.
Friday's earthquake shook open a large hole on the Temple Mount plaza, near the Dome of the Rock.
Al-Aqsa mosque officials belonging to the Islamic Movement's Northern Branch covered the hole with wooden planks following afternoon prayers. The officials, who also said the quake caused cracks in several local residential buildings, said the hole was a meter deep, two meters long and meter and a half wide.
The Islamic Movement blamed Israel for the hole, saying Israel is digging tunnels in the area that undermine the stability in the area of the Al-Aqsa mosque. The organization urged Islamic states to take action to stop Israeli excavations in the area.
I don't think any Israeli should take credit for this, well, not yet anyway.
UPDATE
Picture from today's Ma'ariv:-
another via the El Aqsa Society
And here's a scene from 1927 in Jerusalem:-
And for the academic, here.
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Read my prescient monograph on the Temple Mount as a flashpoint.
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UPDATE
For all those who are getting upset about the religious aspect of the hole, whether or not it proves the existence of a God or that the Jews are the rightful owners of the site or whatever, let's get back into proportion.
The site, besides being a sacred spot and highly politically charged, is an archeologically important location with great cultural weight, at the very least. Why should the Muslim Waqf be allowed, with impunity, to destroy, eradicate, cover up and then deny its existence as where the two temples of the Jews were built? Even atheists should be sympathetic.
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Looks like the hole was already there, and the earthquake just broke the cover that was hiding it. There was a report a while back that the Arabs were digging a hole to fill with "holy water" from Mecca. Is this it?
The God of Abtaham, Isaac and Jacob is going to show Himself strong in these days-- Where's the God of Elijah??
I think He's getting ready to show up!!!
That's the best we could do for a hole?
Depressing.
(but kudos on your link from A7 :)
As for holes:
Jerusalem suffered a severe earthquake January 15, 1546: the Dome on the Church of the Holy Sepulcher was completely destroyed as were many other buildings. The Dome of the Rock was seriously damaged. Another major quake was the July 11, 1927, earthquake was one of the first earthquakes on the Dead Sea Fault to be recorded by modern seismographic techniques, it reached 6.2 on the Richter scale.
The magnitude of a number of earthquakes in Israel is fairly well known:
YEAR Magnitude of Quake
1927 AD 6.4
1834 6.6
1759 6.5
1546 6.7
1293 6.4
1202 7.2
1068 6.2
1033 6.5
749 6.6
658 6.2
363 7.0
I'll add a picture.
the holy land belongs to one and all EQUALLY under theeyes and love of the Maker of us all-God does not discriminate nor show favortism, we all family...
What is here is not ours, what we are is what good we do,
what we give makes us who we should be
the golden rule is a cornerstone in your faith, it is not paved with gold,sivler,hate,discrimination,egotism, or elitism,it is instead paved with tolerance,love,mercy,justice, and altrusim-LIVE IT!!!!
O Jerusaelm if i forget thee, cut off my right arm, you who has suffered so, you who have seen so much suffering,O Jerusalem will man ever wake up, grow up, and enact your ultimate destiny-world capital for all of man? Or will our evil violence consume you once again and another cycle of insanity play out in our time?
It is prophecied in the word of G-d an earthquake as in the days of Uzziah,excuse my spelling, its in the timing of the Almighty. He has buried under the cross area the ark of covenant with Christs blood and the ten commandmants. Israeli levite descendants tried to retrieve them in the 90's and they died in the tunnels. When the timing is right he will bring those out and cause a way for them to be found mans wickedness and sin are increasing when false peace treaties and false laws come it's a matter of time he can shake the earth up and bring those out. As for The Arabs they blame Israel for everything now they blame them for damage disasters cause. If they have a toothache or headache do they blame that for Israeli's I wonder?
NEVER TRUST AN ISRAELI,HISTORY TELLS
You sure ain't got a degree in history Allan!!
WISE UP - and familiarise yourself with the facts.
Perhaps God is going to show Who is God just like he did in Elijah's day
and perhaps the Dome of the Rock
might be distroyed by Him and perhaps
we are near the time of the return
of Israel's Messiah that she rejected
two thousand years ago...
May God bless Israel & the Arabs
with Truth!!!
Why hadn't I realized the Temple Mount was on a fault! It is a major setting in our next mystical Jewish thriller, on which we've just finished revisions prior to publication.
Indeed the "sink" hole beneath the tiles is "interesting." I didn't know earthquakes made sink holes, either.
Karen Tintori
THE BOOK OF NAMES, w/Jill Gregory
A Jewish mystical thriller
www.karentintori.com
Karen and my other myriad visitors: have you ever read Michale Chabon's latest, The Yiddish Policmen's Union"? No? Go here for a Temple Mount surprise.
Regardless of those who fail to base their beliefs upon the Bible, the Holy Land was given by our Great Creator God to the Children of Israel - not to the world, and especially not to covetous and murderous Nazi Muslim enemies. That's why it's called the Promised Land of ISRAEL.
May Israel repent of their woeful neglect of the Temple Mount and reclaim it, and restore it as the Temple Mount, hosting the much heralded House of Prayer for All Nations (who want to worship the God of Jacob).
May that Abomination of Desolation be destroyed on the Temple Mount of the Most High God!
To all the nut-job Christian fundamentalists: Please stop leeching on to our religion. Your centuries of idol worship and disgusting persecution of my people will not protect you from what is coming from above (or below for that matter). Millions of Jews dies at the hands of Christians for centuries. A few decades of your "love" will not cover up the blood.
Hey, it's just hunky dory that you love Israel. Seriously. But it's not enough. Your worship of the false prophet and apikorus "yeshu" (Yemach Sh'mo) is just plain wrong and goes against G-d and His Holy Torah. Please look into the B'nai Noach movement to put you on the right track. G-d meant it when He said no other gods. He's silly that way with not lying or being wishy-washy.
When Mashiach comes (for real) you will have to answer for believing in something (or someone) who is not G-d. I know the truth is painful to bear, but you need to wake up.
If you're so eager for the Messiah to arrive, why don't you follow Judaism to Israel and help hasten his arrival? The Temple Mount is in Jerusalem, not these Lands of the Covenant (partial inheritance of Joseph - Menashe). You don't have to stay in your self-imposed exile, especially since you hypocritically appear to hate all professing Christians, failing to distinguish between our differences, as carelessly as some mark all Jews as liberals and enemies of mankind. Priests and Levites are supposed to know how to differentiate between things.
Some rabbis consider Christianity idolatry, others don't. Some of us recognize pagan elements in both professing Christianity and Judaism and call for both Israel and Judah to clean house.
Israel and Judah Must Get House in Order Before King Messiah Arrives
And please stop beating your chest about real or imagined persecution of Jews by Christians (mainly by Catholics who are not Christian, and who also persecuted Sabbath-keeping Christians), or vainly thinking that all Christians need your approval or care to show you anything but tough love, as necessary. I know this Christian Zionist doesn't. Some of us strive to please God - not those who play God. Besides, Jews are their own worst enemy, as both the Bible and history has proven time again.
Shimon Peres Came to Power Over Rabin's Dead Body
Ariel Sharon: From Zionist to Traitor
Michael (nice Hebrew name), you're entitled to your idolatrous ideas (Isaiah 55:7-9), clearly not Bible-based, and to continue to wander in your spiritual bewilderment, your religious anarchy, and the Promised Land of Israel will remain the Promised Land of Israel, by divine decree.
I hope some day you do a prayerful Bible study to see why the Bible is ethnocentric with its focus on the family of Jacob, why God has chosen to elect the Twelve Tribes of Israel to ultimately become His Servant Nation: to bless all mankind, in God's good time and perfect order.
Just can't take the fact that G-d is not a liar who would change His Law. Sure, like Zeus He comes down to earth, impregnates a virginal young lass and creates a half-man half-god being. Lol. Get over YOURSELVES idol worshipers. If you worship Jesus then you are not worshiping G-d. Simple.
Israel is my Land whether I am there or not. The Temple Mount is mine whether a mosque sits upon it or not. Know why? Because I have a document that says so. It's called the Torah and no, it wasn't abrogated so some European Protestants could feel like they are part of Israel.
David Ben Ariel: Irish? British? German?
"Priests and Levites are supposed to know how to differentiate between things."
We do. It's our job to differentiate between Holy and profane and there is nothing more profane then professing Christians who feel that they can sweep aside 2000 years of murder,rape and persecution by attaching themselves to Israel for the sake of their own twisted eschatological fantasies.
"Some rabbis consider Christianity idolatry, others don't." Name me one that doesn't. Sorry, one that wasn't living under the yoke of Christian love during the Middle Ages and would have been burned at the stake like so many other of his co-religionists.
"Some of us recognize pagan elements in both professing Christianity and Judaism and call for both Israel and Judah to clean house." Christians worship Jesus. Jesus is not G-d. Therefore Christians are idol worshipers. There is no paganism in Judaism, so thanks so much for your brotherly insight about Judah and Israel cleaning house. Oh, are you professing that Christians are part of Israel now?
"And please stop beating your chest about real or imagined persecution of Jews by Christians" You will have to answer to G-d for that statement.
"Some of us strive to please God - not those who play God." As opposed to the renegade Jesus? Are you pleasing G-d by worshiping something other than Him?
"Besides, Jews are their own worst enemy, as both the Bible and history has proven time again." Ooo, sounds a little anti-semitic Mr. European Christian. Truth bubbling to the surface?
What a waste of time. I just visited your "White Europeans are Israelites" site. I'm wasting my breath on some neo-nazi racist who supports Ron Paul? Puh-lease.
I see everyone is having fun promoting their own agendas, while we here have to do all the work.
ymedad: Some of us are planning to join you in Eretz Yisrael as soon as we are able, but cannot do so immediately. So if you are referring to me when you speak of "promoting their own agendas," then I must take issue. Just because I am in Chutz L'aretz for now doesn't mean I am any less committed to Israel or the Jewish people which is evident in my blog.
It just might be time, as has been prophesied would occur at some point, for "Moshiach" to be appointed to his rightful place in Jerusalem. It doesn't seem like anyone else alive today is equipped for the role.
G-d hates to be denied.
Nothing personal. Just a general comment that some people can get all excited and hot and bothered but it all ends up in cyber space.
Don't be too hasty, judahhakohain, to discount the fact that Jesus is your "Mashiach"! Read your scriptures, like Isaiah 53 or
Zechariah 12v10:
"And I will pour upon the house of David, and upon the inhabitants of Jerusalem, the spirit of grace and of supplications: and they shall look upon me whom they have pierced, and they shall mourn for him, as one mourneth for his only son, and shall be in bitterness for him, as one that is in bitterness for his firstborn."
PS Some of us Christians don't believe in the Trinity (gasp!)
So Jesus is the Son of God and will at the end of his 1000 year reign on earth hand over all authority to his Father.
About a month ago there was a tornado that struck Israel. Now an earthquake has shaken it.
The Lord of Hosts is sending Israel warnings. Heed them Israel! Repent! Stop offending God!
Judah HaKohain said...
Just can't take the fact that G-d is not a liar who would change His Law. Sure, like Zeus He comes down to earth, impregnates a virginal young lass and creates a half-man half-god being. Lol. Get over YOURSELVES idol worshipers. If you worship Jesus then you are not worshiping G-d. Simple.
First of all that's NOT what Christians believe. If you are going to slam them for their beliefs at least get them right. No Christian believes that God came down like Zeus and impregnated a woman. No sex was involved in Yeshua's conception. Christians believe that Jesus WAS G-d, in the flesh. G-d can do ANYTHING He so desires and there is nothing He cannot do. He stands outside of human time so he could be in Heaven and place Himself on earth at the same time. He had to come through the human race from the line of David to be like one of us. The only difference was He never sinned because He was G-d. That made Him the perfect sacrifice to cleanse us from sin. A perfect flawless, sinless sacrifice. Which is why He is referred to as The Lamb Of G-d. G-d loves us THAT much and He wanted to save us from our sins that He saw the only answer as death on the cross and His resurrection promises us eternal life with Him.
And guess what?!! I am Jewish and believe that Yeshua was and is the promised Messiah. He fulfilled many prophecies and the rest of the prophecies will be fulfilled when He returns as King of King and Lord of Lords. ****
And we are getting closer to His return. The planet can feel it. Prophecies are being fulfilled. And Israel cries out for justice. And they will get it. Because it is MY Israel too. It is the Land that God gave to my ancestors. Israel just wants to live in peace. They want to be left alone. Her enemies are greedy and want to drive Israel and her people into the sea and have said so. Israel is guilty of NOTHING except defending Herself when attacked. Since when is self-defense wrong? I see reports and they blame Israel and claim Her people are terrorists. That is a lie. Never believe a terrorist who points their finger at another and calls them a terrorist. Israel is innocent. She belongs to G-d.
Aaron
How sad. So many Jews lost to avoda zara! You equate humans with G-d and worship like the Romans and Greeks. But I am not fearful, all accounts will be settled. G-d is not a man, He is the Creator of all things.
Lastly, if Jesus was the messiah, where is the fulfillment? Where is the peace? Oh yeah, he needs a second shot. Wake up, folks. G-d is real and He doesn't tolerate idol worship. Save yourselves now.
Wow, how you've all moved away from the original subject... The Earthquake, the damage at the Temple Mount... "An earthquake shook Israel at 12:37 PM Friday"..
Now open your Bibles to
Luke 12:37.
Yes you to Mr Hakohain, I know you have one... Stop, listen, and stay alert... Stop arguing with each other about who's right and who's wrong... You will all be surprized. Since the beginning of time, man has had to deal with spiritual warfare, that has led to human warfare. Destruction, hatred, fighting, and yes, arguing.. I say to you, love one another... Stay alert, and stay awake...
Catholic's are Christians, & they have been since long before any protestant religion of today... Jews are God's chosen people, and have been since Abraham. Stop battling each other's intellect.. Fight the good fight, the battle between good and evil that rages in your minds and hearts every second of every day... love one another, and you'll win!
Sorry to disappoint but I have no idol worship scripture in my home.
My apologies to Y. This is not the correct forum for this discussion and it's not fair to muddle up his site. If anyone wants to continue this, feel free to post on my blog and I will answer.
Organized religion is the opiate of the people.
There is nothing other than fee simple, and the Dome is owned in fee simple by the Islamics. Let them have their property, and stop trying to steal it.
BTW, ersatz Israel has been trying to undermine the Dome of the Rock for YEARS. Give it a break, already. The Torah is just another man-made book of lies.
To V..who says that I'm a jew? Did I say it? I'm gentile messianic who support Israel and the jews. Many jews don't like us but when I'm in Israel so many israelers are so glad to see us including many of ortodox jews. We're only their friends during intifada.
What are you Vier..are you God who decide whรญch people are God's people?
Do you every time you turn on TV or watch a movie there's/re a jew?
Read the bible before you think you're qualified to discuss if jews are God's chosen people.
I'm theologian.
One day (soon) Quds (Jerusalem) will belong to the Muslims again, like it did when Omar bin Khattab took it, and then Saladin took it again. Once that happens then all religions can live in peace in Jerusalem like they did back in those times, unlike the situation now with the Nazi-Zionist regime.
There's nothing remotely holy about that land. Cursed would be a better word.
A Hole is a Hole...
And Religion is the greatest lie every told...
Religion can not exisit with out humans. Spirit exisits always!
All That Is
It's sickening to read the comments of religious fanatics from all sides. All the major religions of the Middle East i.e. Judaism, Islam, and Christianity are primative barbaric relics of the Bronze and Iron Ages. I wish the rest of the world would decide to nuke all of you Holy Land kooks and get it over with. We wouldn't miss any of you. You'd be in your "heavenly home" and we could get on with making the world a paradise.
To Judah HaKohain and all Jews - I don't blame you for being angry - the things that were done to Jews throughout history in the name of Christianity were horrible and so very wrong, and we deserve hell for doing those things, no question! What can we do or say to properly express our regret? How can we atone for something so unspeakably awful? I could say I'm so very sorry, because I am, but of course it seems ridiculously inadequate. Is there anything in the Torah about repentance and forgivenss? Is there anything we can do to obtain your forgiveness? Please don't hold these crimes against us forever!
Therese Kimber
To those who seem to be confused about what a Christian is, behold Therese Kimber.
Look closely: there you will see the success and peace that one poster claims jesus failed to deliver.
G-d manifests himself in the meek and the compassionate. He has spent all of human history trying to get you to recognize this. Please at least make an effort.
Best regards, from another one of those doomed catholics.
Frightening how an earthquake along a fault line can get maniacs of all stripes butting heads over a hole.
And for the person who said the temple mount is his no matter what sita on it, because a document "the torah" says so. All religions and gods are socially created. Judiasm was likely constructed out of numerous different localized religious nattatives in the region by a monarch who sought to consolidate rule in the area. Making one big uber-narrative out of many, and writing yourself into the geneaology of sacred takes goes a long way.
Additionally, one can check out astrology and the major religions. Christianity and the age of pices-aquarius symbology, Judaism and the aries symbology (even the ram's horn used to call to prayer.) God is lifted from astrology, and all gods are re-writes.
Let's stop loving one particular version of God irrationally, and love each other instead. Then we can all go up on the same mountain, into the same building, and have lunch together. Sound good?
It is a well known fact that the some jewish archiologist have been digging a long time underneath this area.
There was no quake!
all you god botherers are the VERY reason humanity is screwed up. Your arrogant conceit and blindness to you own selves is simply breath-taking.
face the reality that this is your ONLY life (no virgins or pearly gates await) and you suddenly start valuing life and treating people with respect.
regarding the intellectual superiority of the Jews....ah em! The path to doom indeed.
To the Anonymous before the last anonymous -
In order to know what's really going on in the middle east, it's necessary to educate oneself regarding the history of the region - if the media is your only source of information, you will be badly mis-led, as I see you are.
The unfortunate truth is that the Arab people (incl. Palestinians) have been trying to perpetuate a hoocaust against the people of Israel and in so doing continue to live in a mess of their own making. If some group were murdering the citizens of your country day after day, in an effort to eradicate your country, wouldn't you agree that your country would have a right to defend itself against this group?
Stop and think a minute - don't you remember when western democratic civilization came under attack on 9/11 in the U.S.? The Palestinians were celebrating in the streets! What kind of people would do that?
Israel gave Gaze to them and instead of using the opportunity to build some kind of life for themselves, they voted to be "governed" by terrorists and preferred to continue their program of murdering innocent Israeli civilians rather than get on with living. The "plight" of the Palestinians is unfortunately of their own making - they are their own worst enemies because of their blind hatred and anti-semitism. And you seem to be siding with your own enemies without realizing it, wherever you are from. Hope this helps to clarify things.
As for Anonymous #2 - you are a obviously a maniac and a barbarian and I wouldn't even try to reason with you.
You so-called Jews need to read your own Torahs before accusing others of being faulty in their history. G-d gave Canaan to the Israelites in order to punish the idolatry of the Canaanites, not because the Israelites were particularly worthy of the gift. He considered the Israelites a "stiff-necked people."
And in Leviticus and Deuteronomy G-d specifically states that if the Israelites don't follow his laws, "The land will vomit you out." Immediately after that statement it is written that "He who moves his neighbor's fencepost is cursed." He who oppresses widows and orphans is also cursed.
If you so-called Jews read your Torahs you would know that and wouldn't be so condescending. The land was given on a conditional basis, and you would think after being evicted from the land three times aleady by HaShem to punish your wayward faith that you would put your faith in him instead of world powers fighting your battles for you.
That's right, I'm "a maniac and a barbarian" because I condemn murders, liars and cheats. Let's consider this, do you believe the German people would have followed Adolf Hitler and supported the extermination of the European Jews if they had not been wronged by that particualr group of people? Fact is they were being starved and treated like second class citizens in their own land. Just as you are now doing to the Palestenian peolpe. You make your own bed, now lie in it.
Theresa, you are a very confused woman. Open your eyes. WAKE UP AND LOOK! The ones that are slaughtering and attempting to eradicate anyone are the Jews. This is why the Lord is sending warnings to Israel through tornados and earthquakes. If Israel does not repent and cease its genocide of the Palestinian people God's wrath will descend upon it. Heed the warnings!
Come on people! stop hating each other!We were all created by God and Loved by Him as well(not just some of us!) We are all human and we all err! Therefore religious denominations that started off on the right track are not on the right path anymore(that includes everybody)! We are being taught by God our shortcomings and the consequence of our sin's(all of us, no one is excluded)!The consequence of choosing our own Kings and leaders over God!!Its time to stop hating and start working together!If not by our own choice then we will be forced to work together soon by persecution(this will be everyone that believes in the Lord, not just jews, christians or whatever!) Every religion has become corrupt at one point in history or another. So stop pointing fingers at each other, or you'll be too busy accusing one another and slandering each other when God returns. I think we have already been taught that lesson, and forgotten it as well! Seek the truth, by studying the word of God, not what man has told you to believe! Stand up for GOD not man!
Religion is a tool of oppression, used by those with no honor to oppress the ignorant. Achieving peace through religion is a temporary solution. As the ignorant gain knowledge they will become filled with hate for those who've place chains on them. Peace is achieved only through mutual respect and honor. Religion is not required to be an honorable man who respects his neighbor, only knowledge and understanding. Knowledge is not gained with lies, but only the truth.
While we are on the topic of zionism, only Israel benefits from these endless Middle East wars. Iraq is the beginning. As we commit war-crimes in Baghdad, the US gov't commits treason at home by opening mail, eliminating habeas corpus, using the judiciary to steal private lands, banning books like America Deceived (book) from Amazon and Wikipedia, conducting warrantless wiretaps and engaging in illegal wars on behalf of AIPAC's 'money-men'. Soon, another US false-flag operation will occur (sinking of an Aircraft Carrier by Mossad) and the US will invade Iran.. Then we'll invade Syria, then Saudi Arabia, then Lebanon (again) then ....
As an aside, Free Ernst Zundel.
Wow, no wonder there's no peace in the Middle East - what, with all this maniacal religious fanaticism.
You would think that if the disaster of WWII taught anyone anything, it's to never trust anyone who tells you you're part of a superior race. And yet these Zionists cling to the self-congratulating pretence that they're God's 'chosen people'? And why? Because some poets a few thousand years ago also congratulated themselves with the same supremacism?
Do Zionists not see the obvious parallel between Zionism and Nazism? C'mon, It's the same basic lie Hitler sold to the German people, and things didn't end up too well for them, did it? - what, with 10 million of them dying in WWII, mostly civilians.
So if you're a Zionist buying into the idea that God likes you more than other people, and lets you kill them in God's name, then don't be too suprised when the rest of the world comes to put an end to that like it came to put an end to a Nazi take-over Europe.
In the meantime, Zionism has squeezed Palestine into a concentration camp. Walls, barbed-wire, checkpoints, confiscation and destruction of property, summary executions, basic services denied. Is the international community going to wait till there's gas chambers before it starts to see the parallels between Nazism and Zionism?
Zionism is a dead end for everybody involved. It targets Palestinians for genocide and brain-washes Jews into thinking that they're some kind of super race, and that redemption is just around the corner. Ha! It'll ALWAYS be just around the corner, and meanwhile they're making life a living hell for themselves and their neighbours. Zionists claim that they're just defending themselves. What kind of survival strategy sits a people on top of a tinder box of 200-400 nuclear weapons, then pisses of all its neighbours with provocations of war? Things won't end well.
There won't be peace in the Middle East until people realize that a human is a human is a human, that one race is not superior to any other, that if a God exists, it'd probably be above taking sides in petty human squabbles, and that the cycle of violence must be broken by not participating in it.
I am come, and the 1who comes after me holds the foundations of the Heaven and the Earth in his hands. It is yet a while before I return to my land for there is work that must be perfected here in the North, but I tell you now, no idol shall stand upon the Holy Mount of God on that Day that I return, nor any idol nor any Vile thing Jew or Gentile alike for you have both been whoring after other gods and lusting after unnatural things in the all seeing sight of God, Therefore there shall be a great weeping and wailing on that great day that I arive as the whirlwind before thee as my creator has instructed. I come to mark and to seal those who are worthy and in that day many who are dead will rise into eternal life, while many who are living shall die into eternal death, So saith the Lord of Host Yahveh Tsabaoth through his servant Nawve Eliyahu-Yehoshua Cohein Gadol Ben Malchezadek, 2prophets@gmail.com
It totally amazes me how everyone of you have fallen for the Devil's trickery. Using pride , arrogance, unbelief, basically human nature to pit one against the other once again and so the world turns...
THIS HOLY HOLE IS NOT JUST A HOLE! On this temple mouint christians and jews believe Adam and Eve were created, we believe Abraham almost offer Isaa, we believe the third temple mouint will be build on this mountain (everthing is ready to rebuild the temple) and at least we christians/messianics we believe Jesus/Yeshua will return though the air to this mouintain to pick up Israel at the end of the third world war..He will deliver Israel and bring them home. Why is this mouintain such a hot issue in the whole world? BECAUSE WORLDS LAST BATTLE WILL BE ON THIS MOUINTAIN WHERE MESSIAH WILL RETURN. I wonder when I'm o this mouintain: "Is it all..this piece of mouintain why is so important for the whole world..for it look like as nothing anyway so beautiful"..that's my thought as a human but when we look at the bible..this mouintain is the most important mouintain in the whole world for it's a Holy mouintain..yes indeed it's a holy hole :)
1. "There is a huge gap between us (Jews) and our enemies *not just in ability but in morality, culture, sanctity of life, and conscience. They are our neighbors here, but it seems as if at a distance of a few hundred meters away, there are people who do not belong to our continent, to our world, but actually belong to a different galaxy." Israeli president Moshe Katsav. The Jerusalem Post, May 10, 2001
2. "The Palestinians are like crocodiles, the more you give them meat, they want more".... Ehud Barak, Prime Minister of Israel at the time - August 28, 2000. Reported in the Jerusalem Post August 30, 2000
3. " [The Palestinians are] beasts walking on two legs." Menahim Begin, speech to the Knesset, quoted in Amnon Kapeliouk, "Begin and the Beasts". New Statesman, 25 June 1982.
4. "The Palestinians" would be crushed like grasshoppers ... heads smashed against the boulders and walls." " Isreali Prime Minister (at the time) in a speech to Jewish settlers New York Times April 1, 1988
5. "When we have settled the land, all the Arabs will be able to do about it will be to scurry around like drugged cockroaches in a bottle." Raphael Eitan, Chief of Staff of the Israeli Defence Forces, New York Times, 14 April 1983.
6. "How can we return the occupied territories? There is nobody to return them to." Golda Maier, March 8, 1969.
7. "There was no such thing as Palestinians, they never existed." Golda Maier Israeli Prime Minister June 15, 1969
8. "The thesis that the danger of genocide was hanging over us in June 1967 and that Israel was fighting for its physical existence is only bluff, which was born and developed after the war." Israeli General Matityahu Peled, Ha'aretz, 19 March 1972.
9. David Ben Gurion (the first Israeli Prime Minister): "If I were an Arab leader, I would never sign an agreement with Israel. It is normal; we have taken their country. It is true God promised it to us, but how could that interest them? Our God is not theirs. There has been Anti - Semitism, the Nazis, Hitler, Auschwitz, but was that their fault ? They see but one thing: we have come and we have stolen their country. Why would they accept that?" Quoted by Nahum Goldmann in Le Paraddoxe Juif (The Jewish Paradox), pp121.
10. Ben Gurion also warned in 1948 : "We must do everything to insure they ( the Palestinians) never do return." Assuring his fellow Zionists that Palestinians will never come back to their homes. "The old will die and the young will forget."
11. "We have to kill all the Palestinians unless they are resigned to live here as slaves." Chairman Heilbrun of the Committee for the Re-election of General Shlomo Lahat, the mayor of Tel Aviv, October 1983.
12. "Every time we do something you tell me America will do this and will do that . . . I want to tell you something very clear: Don't worry about American pressure on Israel. We, the Jewish people, control America, and the Americans know it." - Israeli Prime Minister, Ariel Sharon, October 3, 2001, to Shimon Peres, as reported on Kol Yisrael radio. (Certainly the FBI's cover-up of the Israeli spy ring/phone tap scandal suggests that Mr. Sharon may not have been joking.)
13. "We declare openly that the Arabs have no right to settle on even one centimeter of Eretz Israel... Force is all they do or ever will understand. We shall use the ultimate force until the Palestinians come crawling to us on all fours." Rafael Eitan, Chief of Staff of the Israeli Defense Forces - Gad Becker, Yediot Ahronot 13 April 1983, New York Times 14 April 1983.
14. "We must do everything to ensure they [the Palestinian refugees] never do return" David Ben-Gurion, in his diary, 18 July 1948, quoted in Michael Bar Zohar's Ben-Gurion: the Armed Prophet, Prentice-Hall, 1967, p. 157.
15. "We should prepare to go over to the offensive. Our aim is to smash Lebanon, Trans-Jordan, and Syria. The weak point is Lebanon, for the Moslem regime is artificial and easy for us to undermine. We shall establish a Christian state there, and then we will smash the Arab Legion, eliminate Trans-Jordan; Syria will fall to us. We then bomb and move on and take Port Said, Alexandria and Sinai." David Ben-Gurion, May 1948, to the General Staff. From Ben-Gurion, A Biography, by Michael Ben-Zohar, Delacorte, New York 1978.
16. "We must use terror, assassination, intimidation, land confiscation, and the cutting of all social services to rid the Galilee of its Arab population." Israel Koenig, "The Koenig Memorandum"
17. "Jewish villages were built in the place of Arab villages. You do not even know the names of these Arab villages, and I do not blame you because geography books no longer exist. Not only do the books not exist, the Arab villages are not there either. Nahlal arose in the place of Mahlul; Kibbutz Gvat in the place of Jibta; Kibbutz Sarid in the place of Huneifis; and Kefar Yehushua in the place of Tal al-Shuman. There is not a single place built in this country that did not have a former Arab population." Moshe Dayan, address to the Technion, Haifa, reported in Haaretz, April 4, 1969.
18. "We walked outside, Ben-Gurion accompanying us. Allon repeated his question, What is to be done with the Palestinian population?' Ben-Gurion waved his hand in a gesture which said 'Drive them out!'" Yitzhak Rabin, leaked censored version of Rabin memoirs, published in the New York Times, 23 October 1979.
19. Rabin's description of the conquest of Lydda, after the completion of Plan Dalet. "We shall reduce the Arab population to a community of woodcutters and waiters" Uri Lubrani, PM Ben-Gurion's special adviser on Arab Affairs, 1960. From "The Arabs in Israel" by Sabri Jiryas.
20. "There are some who believe that the non-Jewish population, even in a high percentage, within our borders will be more effectively under our surveillance; and there are some who believe the contrary, i.e., that it is easier to carry out surveillance over the activities of a neighbor than over those of a tenant. [I] tend to support the latter view and have an additional argument:...the need to sustain the character of the state which will henceforth be Jewish...with a non-Jewish minority limited to 15 percent. I had already reached this fundamental position as early as 1940 [and] it is entered in my diary." Joseph Weitz, head of the Jewish Agency's Colonization Department. From Israel: an Apartheid State by Uri Davis, p.5.
21. "Everybody has to move, run and grab as many hilltops as they can to enlarge the settlements because everything we take now will stay ours... Everything we don't grab will go to them." Ariel Sharon, Israeli Foreign Minister, addressing a meeting of militants from the extreme right-wing Tsomet Party, Agence France Presse, November 15, 1998.
22. "It is the duty of Israeli leaders to explain to public opinion, clearly and courageously, a certain number of facts that are forgotten with time. The first of these is that there is no Zionism,colonialization or Jewish State without the eviction of the Arabs and the expropriation of their lands." Yoram Bar Porath, Yediot Aahronot, of 14 July 1972.
23. "Spirit the penniless population across the frontier by denying it employment... Both the process of expropriation and the removal of the poor must be carried out discreetly and circumspectly." Theodore Herzl, founder of the World Zionist Organization, speaking of the Arabs of Palestine,Complete Diaries, June 12, 1895 entry.
24. "One million Arabs are not worth a Jewish fingernail." -- Rabbi Yaacov Perrin, Feb. 27, 1994 [Source: N.Y. Times, Feb. 28, 1994, p. 1]
25. "We Jews, we are the destroyers and will remain the destroyers. Nothing you can do will meet our demands and needs. We will forever destroy because we want a world of our own." (You Gentiles, by Jewish Author Maurice Samuels, p. 155).
26. "We will have a world government whether you like it or not. The only question is whether that government will be achieved by conquest or consent." (Jewish Banker Paul Warburg, February 17, 1950, as he testified before the U.S. Senate).
27. "We will establish ourselves in Palestine whether you like it or not...You can hasten our arrival or you can equally retard it. It is however better for you to help us so as to avoid our constructive powers being turned into a destructive power which will overthrow the world." (Chaim Weizmann, Published in "Judische Rundschau," No. 4, 1920)
Love one another.
Shalom Alechem.
Yes the word "palestinean" don't exist as we know and it's myth. What people say is interesting about the inheritants of Ismael but what God/Adonai says about them is true. It's written in Genesis 16:10-12..that the inheritants of Ismael "He will be a wild donkey of a man: his hand will be against everyone.."
Some christian and messianics says that arabs in middle east are mixed with fallen angels and that's why they're so wild and act like demons or like animals. Adonai will show us one day in His time what's true..He will reveal everthing.
the PA has had Gaza plenty long enough. they did not hold up their end of the bargain, land for peace? when did the peace start? they have breeched the contract, at a heavy cost to those that were involved in signing it, the USA took a massive hit from Katrina, and the P.M. fell into a coma.... and Israel still gets bombarded with rockets and other destructive devices..
what other things do we need to witness to know that God is not pleased about giving up parts of the Promised Land?
have you ever noticed, no one says boo about some one attacking Israel? but as soon as Israel gets the upper hand, everyone wants the fighting to stop?
IT IS TIME TO FORECLOSE ON THE P.A. IN GAZA, and start looking for the rest of the land that belongs to Israel....
Good Job! :)
Marianne,
You totally support the very people who tortured and killed your God?
That is very strange.
And their history is full the prophets blood on their hands and rebellion against God, worshiping the Golden Calf only days after Moses led them out of persecution.
Do not even think of responding as I am not even coming back.
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