Hillary the Hun?

Hillary Rodham Clinton, Secretary of State's Remarks at Press Availability With Egyptian Foreign Minister Ahmed Ali Aboul Gheit, May 27, 2009

...MR. KELLY: Next question, Kirit (*) from ABC.

QUESTION: A question, Madame Secretary, about settlements. Prime Minister Netanyahu has said that he is going to freeze settlement expansion – new settlement expansion, excuse me – but he’s not made any commitment towards freezing existing settlement growth. Do you think that’s enough?...

...With respect to settlements, the President was very clear when Prime Minister Netanyahu was here. He wants to see a stop to settlements – not some settlements, not outposts, not natural growth exceptions. We think it is in the best interests of the effort that we are engaged in that settlement expansion cease. That is our position. That is what we have communicated very clearly, not only to the Israelis but to the Palestinians and others. And we intend to press that point.

UPDATE

Israel will continue to allow some construction in West Bank settlements despite US calls for a freeze on its work, a government spokesman says.

Mark Regev said the fate of the settlements should be decided in peace negotiations with the Palestinians.

His remarks appear to be a rebuff to US Secretary of State Hillary Clinton, who said all such activity should cease.

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That's Kirit Radia:

War Criminals Petition To Be Signed

To: UN Secretary General

Mr Ban Ki-Moon
United Nations

Office of the Spokesperson for the Secretary-General
United Nations, S-378
New York, NY 10017
Tel. 212-963-7162, Fax. 212-963-7055 Thursday, January 8, 2009 /EMYM


The Honorable Secretary-General, Mr Ban Ki-moon!

Subject: Hamas leadership to be brought to trial for War Crimes

Your Excellency! We, the Take-A-Pen international public advocacy organization, request decisive action regarding a severe case of war crimes.

In the recent years and in the present ongoing military conflict the Hamas terrorist organization ruling in Gaza has committed a large number of diverse war crimes, as defined by International Law.

The form of warfare the Hamas movement inflicted both on the Gaza population and on Israel has caused much suffering and heavy losses and damage both to Israel's civilian population and to the entire Gaza Strip. The Hamas regime has fired 6,300 rockets targeting Israeli civilians. In Gaza the Hamas stored rockets and other weaponry and ammunition primarily in residential areas; in houses, mosques, and schools. Thousands of rocket and mortar grenade attacks were launched from within these areas, obliging Israeli military response which inevitably led to great suffering of the population and damage to property.

According to International Law any source of fire on civilian targets is a legitimate target itself. If that source of fire was located among civilians it still remains a legitimate target; and if that vicinity invites fire in return, causing casualties among the local population, these casualties are the full and sole responsibility of the party placing them deliberately in harm's way. In this case Hamas is fully responsible both for the deliberately targeted Israeli civilian casualties and for the civilian casualties of its own population used by Hamas as a human shield.

Your Excellency, Mister Secretary General! We demand that the Hamas leadership be brought to international justice without delay, and tried for the following war crimes:

- Shooting rockets and grenades purposely on civilian targets in Israel.
- Shooting these rockets from within Palestinian civilian compounds such as schools or in close proximity of hospitals or residential buildings.
- Storing weapons and ammunition in schools, mosques, public offices and buildings and the sort.
- Regularly using their own civilians as human shield; particularly children, often forced to be in the most dangerous spots.
- During fighting with the Israeli forces the Hamas fighters, who wore uniforms at the beginning, changed to civilian clothing or IDF uniforms and continued to fight.
- Hamas fighters have routinely hid among civilians in hospitals
- To the kidnapped Israeli soldier, Gilad Schalit, Hamas did not provide the most elementary rights of war prisoners, such as information given to the other side and Red Cross visits, rights Israel grants even to convicted Hamas terrorists.
- Children and minors were routinely used by Hamas for military tasks, both battle and auxiliary. The Hamas regime has also educated, indoctrinated and trained children and minors to murderous hatred, to will and techniques to kill.
- The Hamas leadership embezzled aid money received for the peaceful needs of Gaza's population and used these extensive funds for war efforts; weaponry, military equipment and constructions, and an enormous military build-up.

A failure to prosecute the Hamas leadership in International Court would, no doubt, lead to their war crimes growingly become normative behavior, and to more of the same humanitarian catastrophes, to millions of victims of oppression and killings undefended by the UN.

Mr Secretary General, we would appreciate your considered reply, which, with your permission, we would publish, along with this letter. We shall follow your relevant activities with great honor, high expectations, and deep moral support.

Sincerely,

Sign here.

And Where Are The "Oppressed Territories"?

Israel is accused of administrating "occupied territories" and of being a "colonialist" power.

I'm willing to agree to "disputed territories" and certainly not colonialist.

But "oppressed territories"?

Where are those?

Spain. That's where.

Eta, the Basque separatist group, has threatened to attack British tourists and second-home buyers in the French Basque Country for destroying the region’s culture and heritage.

In an interview with Gara, a newspaper sympathetic to the separatist cause, two masked members said thatuewere part of a wave of colonisation that was eradicating the traditional Basque way of life and language.

An Eta commander, using the alias Gaeuko, said: “If these things do not change, these oppressed territories will become leisure areas for the English, for Parisians and people from Bordeaux.”

Oh my. All that's missing is the term "illegal settlements".

P.S. Is there a "West Bank" in Spain?

A Wonderful Israel Security Forces Victory

Police evacuate 2 huts, tent in West Bank

Settlers rebuild outpost on Hill 18 several hours after evacuation.

Source

More On The 57-State Solution

Following up on my previous post on the suggestion that the Temple Mount administration by transferred to the 57-member Islamic States Council, we have an article by Zvi Bar'el in Haaretz on the subject, Arabs aren't thrilled by the idea of controlling the Temple Mount.

Some excerpts:

The announcement by Nabil Abu Rudeina, spokesman of Palestinian Authority President Mahmoud Abbas (Abu Mazen), to the effect that the PA is willing to transfer the holy places in Jerusalem to Islamic sovereignty in exchange for genuine Israeli compromises, was ostensibly supposed to constitute a breakthrough.

But that same Islamic sovereignty does not particularly thrill the foreign ministers of the 57 countries that met at the end of the week in Damascus for the Islamic Conference Organization. The proposal did not even come up for discussion...

Not only can the proposal to transfer the Temple Mount to Islamic sovereignty not be defined legally - since what legal significance is there to the term "religious sovereignty" - it also angers some Fatah members, who say that "if the proposal really is valid, it overturns the vision of Yasser Arafat, who always adhered to the viewpoint that a Palestinian state without Jerusalem as its capital and the Palestinian flag on Haram al Sharif [the Temple Mount], is not a state."...Technically, if the PA wants to surrender sovereignty over the Temple Mount in favor of Islamic representation, it will first have to go back to the Arab League in order for that body to make a decision.

...Hatem Abdel Kader, the new minister for Jerusalem affairs in Salam Fayyad's government, this week explained the Palestinian proposal in somewhat deeper detail, claiming that it does not refer to an international body that will assume responsibility for the Temple Mount, but rather an Islamic country.

But even this explanation is not sufficient. Which country will it be? Will it be an Islamic Arab country or a non-Arab country, like Iran, Turkey or perhaps Indonesia?...

57?

Hmmm.

The number 57 has mystical significance to the Heinz company, but it has never had much to do with reality. The slogan was invented by the company's founder, Henry J. Heinz, during a ride on the New York elevated in 1892. While he was reading the car cards on the ceiling, Heinz's eye alighted on the slogan "21 styles of shoes." To pedestrian minds such as our own, R.B., this probably doesn't sound like one of your killer advertising mottoes, but that's why we're not millionaire ketchup barons. Heinz could recognize genius when he saw it. Cogitating briefly, he conceived the immortal words "57 varieties," and immediately hopped off the the train and set about plastering the nation with the now-famous pickle-plus-number logo. The one problem with this scheme was that at the time the company was manufacturing more than 60 varieties. However, Heinz stuck with 57, for what his biographer describes as "occult reasons."

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And excerpts from Max Singer's piece:

The simple truth can help bring peace

An often-overlooked piece of Palestinian behavior is key to the pursuit of peace. The Palestinians teach their people that no Jewish kingdom ever existed in the land they call Palestine, and that there was never a Jewish temple on the Temple Mount in Jerusalem.

Presumably some Palestinians know these teachings are false, but for most they are "facts" learned in school and taken for granted. These falsehoods are deliberately spread by the Palestinian leadership...This false story helps explain the Palestinian refusal to make peace, because so long as Palestinians think the Jews were never here before, they will see Jews as a foreign colonial implant with no moral claim or right to the land...When a powerful foreigner comes and takes your territory just because he wants it, you have no honorable way to yield your rights. Accepting such a foreign invasion would be a cowardly sacrifice of honor...

...THE UNITED STATES CAN make an important step toward peace by publicly assuring the Palestinians that there were indeed ancient Jewish kingdoms in the land, and a Jewish temple on the Temple Mount before the birth of Muhammad. There are plenty of Muslim sources that the US can use to teach these facts.

Denial of the Jews' ancient connection to the land is much more important than Holocaust denial. Israel's claim to the land has nothing to do with the Holocaust. The international decision that Palestine should be a Jewish homeland was made by the League of Nations a generation before the Holocaust. Jews claim the land based on their continuous emotional and religious attachment to it since ancient times - not as compensation for six million dead...

Odd Croquet Sport

Remember this scene from "Alice in Wonderland"?



That bird is a flamingo.

But that's the image that entered my mind when I read this:

A man who grabbed a live swan by the neck and used the bird as a club to beat up another man has been sentenced by a court in Munich, local media reported on Wednesday.

The swan survived the attack unhurt and flew off afterwards. The assailant, named only as Sebastian P., was drunk at the time and was given a two-year suspended sentence.

Ladies Islamic Fashion

You may have seen photographs like the two below, usually in a humorous framework, regarding the more extreme Muslim custom of covering almost all of a woman's body, and not only her hair or her face in an act of modesty.




Well, here's one from the Ottoman Empire period in the Land of Israel around the First World War, 1900-1914:



At the least, they aren't dressed all in somber black.

So, Who Does Need a "Palestinian State"?

Daniel Greenfield doesn't think so.

He writes an article for the AFSI Outpost and here's an excerpt:

For 17 years, Israel, America and just about every interested party has tried to build a Palestinian state. They provided weapons and training to build a modern Palestinian police force. They sent advisers and fortunes in economic aid, thousands per Palestinian Arab. Billions in funds from the EU, America and various do-gooders were swallowed up to fund the lavish lifestyles of Arafat and his henchmen.

Year after year, the proposed Palestinian state has become a worse place. Given its own military, political, legal and economic system, "Palestine" has made the region more unstable than ever. Proposing that more of this will stabilize the region is akin to a man setting fire to one piece of furniture after another in his living room, and claiming that when the entire room is on fire, it will be a safe place to live.

So I ask again, who needs a Palestinian state? If the Palestinian Arabs really wanted a state (a second state) in Gaza, the West Bank and Eastern Jerusalem, they could have had it before 1967, when those territories were in Arab hands. Instead the PLO back then called for no Palestinian state and the destruction of Israel. As Clinton discovered to his chagrin at the end of his term, Arafat did not want a state and was not interested in an Israeli offer that gave him 99 percent of what he said he wanted. Is it any surprise that Hamas today follows the same party line?

And really why would they want a Palestinian state? If a state was actually created, the UNRWA would have to close up shop. A Palestinian state could no longer rely on foreign donors to fund the hundred thousand or so armed gangsters who form its "government" and its only real form of employment. And the same Muslim states who pass along "charity" to help fund the "martyr operations" that are behind much of the local terrorism would turn elsewhere.

Instead for 17 years the same tired opera has been playing in the region's one theater. First the world's statesmen and diplomats descend on Israel, crying that the only hope for regional stability is a Palestinian state. Israeli diplomats arrive with a generous territorial offer, counterbalanced by a second clause that asks for an end to terrorism.. That second clause is immediately ignored by everyone in the room.

Next the Palestinian Authority diplomats arrive demanding twice as much land, no more border security preventing terrorists from entering Israel, half of Israel's capital, contiguous borders that would cut Israel in half, the ethnic cleansing of all Jews from territories claimed by them—and finally the return of the "refugees," which is code for unlimited immigration from their proposed Palestinian State into Israel.

Read the whole thing.

My Interview Broadcast on Kol Yisrael English Radio

The transcript of my English-language radio interview on Monday (to hear my voice, click here):

Newscaster: David Zeev asked a spokesman for the Yesha Council of Jewish Communities in Judea and Samaria, Yisrael Medad, what the Yesha position is on the unauthorized outpost issue.

Yisrael Medad: Yesha of course is, in principal, in favor of unlimited Jewish residency throughout the territories that at the present moment are dispute, which we believe belong to the Jewish National Home. The best way would be through deliberations and negotiations, which we tried earlier last week with Defense Minister Barak, in terms of first of all, making sure that the so-called illegal communities, which actually are simply either not zoned or unauthorized, there's nothing illegal about Jews living in the Land of Israel, could be solved one way or the other. It might be, as we suggested last year that, for example, the community of Migron could be moved to a nearby area, which there'd be no legal problems what-so-ever. So I would guess, in terms of the more radical elements within the Yesha community, the council itself would be moderate, but we are not disputing the fact that there has to be an arrangement made where Jews can legally live in the Land of Israel without any problems.

David Zeev: Defense Minister Barak did dismantle one of the unauthorized outposts last week, and Prime Minister Netanyahu reportedly is giving his Defense Minister his backing. Is Yesha disappointed with these latest moves?

Yisrael Medad: We're not quite sure exactly what Mr. Netanyahu's thinking is. In the past, when he was first Prime Minister the first time around, because of a misunderstanding, I think between him and the nationalist camp, he lost his prime ministership. So I think he should be coordinated of course much more with the people who can give him better political backing, rather than Mr. Barack, who already has 5 times mentioned that he's willing to jump ship from the coalition agreements he made. If that's the support Mr. Netanyahu wants, there won''t be a long-term Likud government. But I think that in between the type of viewpoints that either Mr. Barack or myself, as representing the Yesha Council hold, there is a wide area where Mr. Netanyahu doesn't have to get excited or nervous about Jews living on Judea and Samaria...(cutoff, darn)

That was recorded while I was standing in the courtyard of Jama'at A-Satein near the Tel of Shiloh.

Will The 1929 Riots Repeat?

A post of mine at my IsraelNationalNews blog, "From the Hills of Efraim".

Someone Got Me Mixed Up With Someone Else

Comment #13 here:

Perhaps an answer can be gleaned from a statement attributed to Yisrael Meidad (who, while not observant himself, was close to tradition and had contacts with thinkers from all sides of the religious spectrum).

He once said that he understood the positions of the students of Rav Kook … and he understood the positions of the Neturei Karta … but for the life of him, he could never understand the position of anyone in the middle of that religious spectrum...

Comment by Chardal — May 18, 2009 @ 1:39 pm

and

#27

#12 Chardal — Have to call you on an error. Yisrael Meidad (Winkleman) is alive and frum and living in Shiloh. You meant Yisrael Eldad (Scheib) z”l, some of whose writings just came out in a Hagada edited by Yehuda Etzion.

Comment by Yehoshua Friedman — May 19, 2009 @ 1:51 pm

and

# 32

>#12 Chardal — Have to call you on an error. Yisrael Meidad (Winkleman) is alive and frum and living in Shiloh. You meant Yisrael Eldad (Scheib) z”l, some of whose writings just came out in a Hagada edited by Yehuda Etzion.

You got me. I was thinking Eldad. Don’t know why I wrote Meidad.

Comment by Chardal — May 20, 2009 @ 4:35 am

I left a comment there:

# 88

Chardal, check out Bamidbar 11:

24 And Moses went out, and told the people the words of the LORD; and he gathered seventy men of the elders of the people, and set them round about the Tent. 25 And the LORD came down in the cloud, and spoke unto him, and took of the spirit that was upon him, and put it upon the seventy elders; and it came to pass, that, when the spirit rested upon them, they prophesied, but they did so no more. 26 But there remained two men in the camp, the name of the one was Eldad, and the name of the other Medad; and the spirit rested upon them; and they were of them that were recorded, but had not gone out unto the Tent; and they prophesied in the camp. 27 And there ran a young man, and told Moses, and said: ‘Eldad and Medad are prophesying in the camp.’

Comment by Yisrael Medad, Shiloh, Israel — May 26, 2009 @ 3:03 pm

First Hispanic Nominee - And Jewish Too

As Fark notes:

Many people calling Sonia Sotomayor first Hispanic Supreme Court Justice. These people are wrong: The estimable Justice Benjamin Cardozo, nominated by Hoover in 1932, had that honor. Please make a note of it.

As sourced:

Some of Cardozo's ancestors were Portuguese Jews who immigrated to Britain's North American colonies in the 1740s and 1750s from Portugal via the Netherlands and England. The surname Cardozo (Cardoso) is of Portuguese origin.

And he was Jewish, too.

Yes, There Is Justice

Correcting a wrong:

A combat soldier from the Givati Brigade who confessed to looting during the IDF offensive in the Gaza Strip in January has returned the money he stole to the Palestinian man he stole from, with interest.

The soldier was charged last week and pleaded guilty to stealing a credit card from the home of a Palestinian, later using it to withdraw NIS 1,600 ($400).

..."I am writing you on my client's behalf, he expresses his regrets and sincere apologizes for withdrawing funds from your client's account. My client wants to right his wrongdoing and return the money," Roda wrote.

The soldier's trial has been scheduled for Wednesday. He will be charged with looting. The Palestinian has been barred from testifying as he is suspected of acts of terror. Police said various explosive devices were found in his home.

The Third Party

Haaretz:

The newly appointed minister for Jerusalem affairs in the Palestinian Authority cabinet, Hatem Abdel Khader, has released a statement noting that he favors transfering control of the Temple Mount to the 57-member Islamic Conference Organization in the framework of an Israel-PA peace agreement. Haaretz reported last week on the P.A.'s willingness to transfer control of the Temple Mount to the organization. "The most important thing is to end the Israeli occupation," Abdel Khader also said.

Fifty-seven Islamic countries?

One Israel?

No Jewish rights.

Naturally

Ynet:

Defense Minister Ehud Barak told the High Court he has decided to refrain from issuing demolition orders for nine houses that have been built in the West Bank settlement of Ofra.

A petition filed by the left-wing organizations Yesh Din and B'tselem claims the homes were built on Palestinian land. Barak responded that the homes were built within the settlement and were therefore not expanding it.

On Democracy and Demonology

MK Arieh Eldad attended a discussion in the Knesset today - which was not an actual parliamentary activity but an outside conference convened to exchange ideas and thoughts on the theme "Alternatives to the Concept of "Two States" and sponsored by MK Tzipi Hotovely. I also attended although due to overcrowding I entered the room late.



These types of meetings have nothing to do with Israel or the Knesset in any official fashion.

Around 200 people attended the conference on Tuesday, including Knesset members and representatives of the Yesha council of West Bank settlements.

Organizer MK Hotovely stressed that the forum did not represent "an assembly of Likud rebels," but that it aimed to open channels of thinking on ways of ending the Israeli-Palestinian conflict aside from the two-state plan.

Hotovely said the conference was intended to "strengthen the hand of the prime minister, returning from Washington after standing firm againstU.S. President Barack Obama."

Jordan doesn't quite understand that this is an expression of democratic exchange of ideas on the one hand and not an official representation of Israel's government. They would prefer some sort of "Elders of Zion" demonology.

And what happened that bothered Jordan?

As Haaretz reports:

Eldad told lawmakers during a Knesset plenum last week that Palestinians must be given Jordanian citizenship, claiming that Jordan is essentially the Palestinian state.

Jordan lodged a strongly-worded protest with Israel on Tuesday over the proposal. Foreign Minister Nasser Judeh summoned the Israeli ambassador in Amman, Yaakov Rosen, and handed him a protest that "categorically rejects the ongoing discussion at the Israeli Knesset on a proposal by one of its members entitled 'two states for two peoples on the two banks of River Jordan'," a statement carried by the official Petra news agency said.

Actually, Jordan should have been more upset over the words of someone else who spoke there:

Strategic Affairs Minister Moshe Ya'alon, who participated in the conference on Tuesday, said past peace plans urging Israel to give up captured land to the Palestinians have failed.

"The Western way of thinking has proven irrelevant and dangerous to this region," the former Israel Defense Forces chief of staff said, adding that Israel should stop looking for an immediate solution to the conflict with the Palestinians.

"We have to disavow the commonly held perception that we should find an imminent solution," he added. "The Disengagement from Gaza in 2005 was the Palestinians' golden opportunity to show the world that the end of the occupation would lead to political and economic stability."

"Hamas' violent takeover of Gaza and the ongoing missile fire at Israel proves that the problem was not the occupation. For them, the entire land, from the Jordan River to the Mediterranean, is occupied."

"[Late Palestinian Authority Chairman Yasser] Arafat came very close to achieving independence, but he chose to launch a war against Israel in September 2000 instead," he said. "The issue wasn't the ability to give them independence, but their desire to get it."

"Instead of a state, Arafat chose to set up a terror regime," Ya'alon continued. "Abu Mazen [Palestinian President Mahmoud Abbas] is behaving the same way and exercises political weakness as a strategy."

And what do the Pals. say?

Ahmed Qureia (Abu Ala), who heads the Palestinian negotiating team with Israel:

"[Former U.S. secretary of state] Condoleezza Rice told me she understood our position about Ariel but that Ma'aleh Adumim was a different matter. I told her, and Livni, that those residents of Ma'aleh Adumim or Ariel who would rather stay in their homes could live under Palestinian rule and law, just like the Israeli Arabs who live among you. They could hold Palestinian and Israeli nationalities. If they want it - welcome. Israeli settlements in the heart of the territories would be a recipe for problems. Israel evacuated all the settlements in Yamit and in the Gaza Strip. All the prime ministers who negotiated with Syria, including Netanyahu, agreed to evacuate all the settlements from [the Golan] Heights. So why is it so difficult for you to evacuate the settlements in the West Bank?

Here are a few pictures:

MK Tzipi Hotovely with Adi Mintz -



MK Robert Ilatov -



Some of the attendees -

"And He Saves Us..."

Words from the Haggada of Pesach, music by Yonatan Razel:

והיא שעמדה לאבותינו ולנו שלא אחד בלבד עומד עלינו לכלותינו והקב"ה מצילנו מידם

This is what has stood by our fathers and us! For not just one alone has risen against us to destroy us, but in every generation they rise against us to destroy us; and the Holy One, blessed be He, saves us from their hand!

Another "Natural" Issue That Hillary Has

Following up my "natural growth" post, I spotted Bill Clinton getting all natural with Fran Drescher in Vienna this weekend:


Found here

I wonder what settlement the Clintons have agreed upon.

Wedding At Mitzpeh Yericho

We attended the wedding of the daughter of Michel Gurfinkiel of Paris at the community of Mitzpeh Yericho, overlooking the Plains of Jericho, on Sunday evening.

Two pictures from the outlook:

that's Jericho down below in the center -

this is just south of Jericho stretching away to Jordan -

and a song from the wedding ceremony:

and one of the musicians:

Natural Growth

Natural, as in "natural growth", is defined thus:

Main Entry:

nat·u·ral
Function: adjective
Etymology: Middle English, from Anglo-French naturel, from Latin naturalis of nature, from natura nature
Date: 14th century

1: based on an inherent sense of right and wrong

2 a: being in accordance with or determined by nature b: having or constituting a classification based on features existing in nature

3 a (1): begotten as distinguished from adopted ; also : legitimate (2): being a relation by actual consanguinity as distinguished from adoption b: illegitimate

4: having an essential relation with someone or something : following from the nature of the one in question

5: implanted or being as if implanted by nature : seemingly inborn

6: of or relating to nature as an object of study and research

7: having a specified character by nature

8 a: occurring in conformity with the ordinary course of nature : not marvelous or supernatural b: formulated by human reason alone rather than revelation c: having a normal or usual character

9: possessing or exhibiting the higher qualities (as kindliness and affection) of human nature

10 a: growing without human care ; also : not cultivated b: existing in or produced by nature : not artificial c: relating to or being natural food

11 a: being in a state of nature without spiritual enlightenment : unregenerate b: living in or as if in a state of nature untouched by the influences of civilization and society

12 a: having a physical or real existence as contrasted with one that is spiritual, intellectual, or fictitious b: of, relating to, or operating in the physical as opposed to the spiritual world

13 a: closely resembling an original : true to nature b: marked by easy simplicity and freedom from artificiality, affectation, or constraint c: having a form or appearance found in nature

And in an interview of Abderrahim Foukara [???] of Al Jazeera with Hillary Rodham Clinton,
Secretary of State, Washington, DC, May 19, 2009, Mrs. Clinton was asked and replied:

...QUESTION: Madame Secretary, when President Obama yesterday talked about the issue of settlements and he said that he wanted the Israelis to freeze the building on the West Bank, does that mean that he wants the settlements, the existing settlements, to be rolled back to the 1967 border, specifically?

SECRETARY CLINTON: Well, there are two pieces to that question. First, we want to see a stop to settlement construction, additions, natural growth – any kind of settlement activity. That is what the President has called for.

We also are going to be pushing for a two-state solution which, by its very name, implies borders that have to be agreed to. And we expect to see two states living side by side, a state for the Palestinians that will be sovereign and within which the Palestinians will have the authorities that come with being in charge of a state with respect to such activities as settlements. So it’s really a two-step effort here. We want to see a stop now, and then, as part of this intensive engagement that Senator Mitchell is leading for us, we want to move toward a two-state solution with borders for the Palestinians.

and at 1:54, you can see her and hear her say it:



Well, I think what comes naturally will be a bit overwhelming for the Secretary of State and the President.