tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7014209.post1510347753973234724..comments2024-03-27T09:24:50.103+02:00Comments on My Right Word: JewishIsrael's Waller WarYMedadhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/14333122797414935958noreply@blogger.comBlogger31125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7014209.post-4021094668017527642013-09-10T23:33:56.757+03:002013-09-10T23:33:56.757+03:00B"H - Maybe it is difficult to grasp, but I a...B"H - Maybe it is difficult to grasp, but I am not the subject matter here. The hundreds of xtians bought in to undercut our youths on their own job market is the problem and Shabbat goyim you bring up as an example are irrelevant as they do tasks and jobs we cannot do. Working the land, harvesting grapes on our farms here in Judea and Samaria on the other hand is the natural jobs source for our people and those who bring in foreigners to work for free are destroying our local job market and of course Mesika, our Governor and his cronies will be held responsible for this, comes election day. If you do the maths, 25 shekels per hour times 8 hrs per day times 25 working days a month times 3 months times 500 xtian slaves, that's a 7.5 million shekels loss only in direct wages. Add the second level losses to local businesses, the pizzas, beers, cokes and yes, baby-diapers not bought and we are easily at the 10 million loss mark and more for your glorious season! 10 million and you are worried about my character?! Com'on Medad, I'm sure you can do better than that!Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7014209.post-26356233369638219032013-09-10T22:37:18.223+03:002013-09-10T22:37:18.223+03:00ABY - you're clutching.
Okay, you don't l...ABY - you're clutching.<br /><br />Okay, you don't like Christians. We got that. And heaven forbid we ask them to turn on a light for us or other "shabbox-goy" stuff. And who needs non-Jews for Pesach either?YMedadhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/14333122797414935958noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7014209.post-78241625650481042262013-09-10T22:26:26.007+03:002013-09-10T22:26:26.007+03:00B"H - You see Richard, even if Waller was &qu...B"H - You see Richard, even if Waller was "good for us", it wouldn't matter. Why? Because Judaism is about the <i>sovereignty</i> of Hashem, not of the Jews. See <a href="http://thetorahrevolution.blogspot.co.il/2013/09/its-question-of-sovereignty-some-rosh.html" rel="nofollow">this</a>. However, even this narrative is a lie, as he is anything but good for us: He steals hundreds of jobs from our Jewish youths in an already depressed area and creates <a href="http://thetorahrevolution.blogspot.co.il/2013/09/a-chain-of-corruption-one-thing-leads.html" rel="nofollow">other serious damage</a> too on his false way to bring in the second coming of his man-god idol.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7014209.post-15466606307517251222013-09-10T21:54:22.210+03:002013-09-10T21:54:22.210+03:00I agree with your article. I have met Tommy Walle...I agree with your article. I have met Tommy Waller, a Nashville boy, and I find that their work here is for our benefit. I would only wish that the real anti Semites of the world would wake up and follow Tommy Waller's example.Anonymoushttps://www.blogger.com/profile/02288329340540174681noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7014209.post-10804309552627529362013-09-08T11:21:08.054+03:002013-09-08T11:21:08.054+03:00"... I see you're a messianist yourself.&...<i>"... I see you're a messianist yourself."</i><br /><br />I am "messianist" in the classic Rambam tradition... <i>"I believe with perfect faith in the coming of the Messiah. However long it takes, I will await His coming every day."</i><br /><br />No obfuscation here:<br /><br /><i>"I've always been clever."<br /><br />"I am sufficiently impressed...."<br /><br />"I interpret matters so...."</i><br />Devorah Chayahhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/03625277197970920616noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7014209.post-45736935936264331932013-09-08T00:27:08.613+03:002013-09-08T00:27:08.613+03:00a) where there are Christians who seek to missioni...a) where there are Christians who seek to missionize, I am at one with every Jewish group;<br /><br />b) it is not my opinion that HaYovel presents such a danger;<br /><br />c) if I discover direct activity, it will be dealt with as it should and stopped;<br /><br />d) my activity may prevent what you and the other Gush Katif people went through by increasing the allies for Yesha.<br /><br />e) I am not attacking anyone, but defending myself against weird, biased, unproven and frankly, hysterical reactions.YMedadhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/14333122797414935958noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7014209.post-3168232842360064912013-09-07T22:41:42.507+03:002013-09-07T22:41:42.507+03:00I have been on the board of Jewish Israel for seve...I have been on the board of Jewish Israel for several years as was clearly indicated onthe J.I. site. Before that I lived in Gush Katif for 30 yrs.During the several years of terror and during the struggle for saving Gush Katif Yisrael Meidad ,David Haivri and many of the leadership of Judea and Samaria were in the forefront of exposing the true facts as these were was intentionally hidden from the public . <br />Then they understood clearly that only when the facts are known can a person make a valued decision! <br /><br />Jewish Israel is an organization that researches the Christian's sites and sources,forums etc where they speak and write to each other . . Each person can read the articles Christians wrote, can see the clips in which Christians speak to other Christians and occasionally some of the people of Judea and Samaria as they appear and speak before christian groups.<br /> Each and every person then as now who reads these facts has the choice of what to do with the sourced information and how to react to these facts.<br />Some prefer to be ostriches and others prefer to do take these facts seriously and act accordingly. <br /><br />Yisrael,why now is it suddenly a crime to bring facts to the awareness of the public?? . It is your privilege to watch or not watch these clips to read them and act or not act to protect the integrity of our Judaism and the integrity of our Jewish Homeland our promised Land. <br />One can read and see the facts brought on the Jewish Israel site and meet with us to see much more of the vast amount of information that we have gathered - or not do so . One can see them and ignore them or one can see them and decide to no longer empower those christian groups and individuals whose motivations are very problematic,<br /> If you choose to read and see these facts the one thing that makes no sense at all is to -attack those who researched and made the facts available. <br />Strangely enough this is exactly what you have been doing Yisrael. .<br />Speak up against those that empower Christians whose goals are to undermine your faith - or dont do so! as you choose-- but stop attacking those that expose the facts because the facts annoy you !Anita Tuckerhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/17140914554786750468noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7014209.post-8910880765425781602013-09-04T17:16:22.460+03:002013-09-04T17:16:22.460+03:00Tommy Waller screens his volunteers carefully. Th...Tommy Waller screens his volunteers carefully. They must offer up to 5 references that must be former volunteers and they have to have a phone interview to make sure they "fit" the Hayovel ideal. So if there are missionaries among the volunteers, which there are, then Waller knows it. Brayden Waller and his wife just participated in the inauguration of Lars Enarson's missionary training compound "City on the Hill" in Sweden. These missionary trainees are being trained to convert Jews and are required to volunteer with Hayovel for part of their training. This is all on the internet for anyone who cared to google. Geula Girlhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/02504348060586995420noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7014209.post-53035082852895898322013-09-04T17:13:54.196+03:002013-09-04T17:13:54.196+03:00Many of the Hayovel volunteers, including staff me...Many of the Hayovel volunteers, including staff member Aaron Murphy, believe that they are "co-heirs" with the Jews to the inheritance of the land of Israel. This is based on the New Testament verses "Galatians 3:27-29<br />For as many of you as have been baptized into Christ have put on Christ. There is neither Jew nor Greek, there is neither bond nor free, there is neither male nor female: for ye are all one in Christ Jesus. And if ye be Christ's, then are ye Abraham's seed, and heirs according to the promise."<br />Their work here is in preparation for their future aliyah. They call themselves Israelites and believe there will be a mass exodus of christians from the nations to Israel and they have decided to help get that started. They believe the Jews are caretakers of their part of Israel (the Shomron) until they arrive. You may be able to deny Tommy believes or supports this but that is only because every time anyone finds evidence to this on the internet he immediately removes it. Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7014209.post-19078573837993430562013-09-04T16:32:53.099+03:002013-09-04T16:32:53.099+03:00B"H - On a second thought, I would talk to yo...B"H - On a second thought, I would talk to you if you paid me with gold of your weight.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7014209.post-37300639218444922162013-09-04T16:16:18.736+03:002013-09-04T16:16:18.736+03:00O Ariel.
Thank you for clarifying yourself.
Have...O Ariel.<br /><br />Thank you for clarifying yourself.<br /><br />Have a good year.YMedadhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/14333122797414935958noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7014209.post-31901278988359806682013-09-04T15:50:15.312+03:002013-09-04T15:50:15.312+03:00B"H - It doesn't matter Medad what the xt...B"H - It doesn't matter Medad what the xtians <i>do</i>. What matters is what they <i>are</i>. One. Two, your going after and personally offending the Jews you don't agree with tells a lot about YOU, very little if nothing about their supposedly erroneous understandings. Three, the thesis according to which we are in a "phase" of redemption is problematic, not only because you say so, but in as much as a) not "we", the Jews are always in a "stage" of redemption and b) it is hugely subjective (and exquisitely Kookist) to think so. As far as the erev rav issue is concerned, your bringing up the "uniting of humanity" gives your game away Medad. Please don't make the mistake to think I'm talking to you Medad, I have only disdain for you and I wouldn't talk to you even if you paid me with gold of your weight: I'm talking to the good people who might come to your blog by error, in their search for truthAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7014209.post-71209609881166171992013-09-04T14:56:34.752+03:002013-09-04T14:56:34.752+03:00Devash, thanks for erasing that reference to Erev-...Devash, thanks for erasing that reference to Erev-Rav (<a href="http://palmtreeofdeborah.blogspot.co.il/2013/09/gibor-yisrael-award.html" rel="nofollow">here</a>) although from your blogging, I see you're a messianist yourself and Nir is pretty close to that other religion enough to seem to make you an expert.<br /><br />And I've always been clever.<br /><br />In any case, I am sufficiently impressed that the HaYovel group does not engage in proselytizing here. As they are Christians and not all of them are of the Waller in-circle, if they do so outside of Israel, I wouldn't be upset and I would combat that. That's what Christians do.<br /><br />As for obfuscation, you probably have some awards too.<br /><br />I interpret matters so: in the period of the redemptive process developing right now, the non-Jew will seek to come and he will assist us. It might even be that the next stage will be the uniting of mankind to believe in God as we Jews do. No matter, until that time, we should expect them to come, we should be prepared, we should have clear guidelines and they should know them and act accordingly.<br /><br />There are, yes, other groups, That is another story.YMedadhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/14333122797414935958noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7014209.post-36187744545906828912013-09-04T14:37:43.577+03:002013-09-04T14:37:43.577+03:00No, they don't wear crosses. They wear tzitzi...No, they don't wear crosses. They wear tzitzit. Anyone passing them on the street in Jerusalem might think they are Jews, which is more problematic, for reasons that are obvious to reasonable people.<br /><br />I'm wondering now if you've always been given to obfuscation with clever wordplay or if it is something you've picked up from your new friends.<br /><br />Allow me to add the unspoken subtext for the uninitiated:<br /><br /><i>Tommy has recanted.</i><br />I don't believe in Jesus anymore (cuz his name is Yeshua, wink-wink)<br /><br /><i>He admits he spoke from ignorance.</i><br />I didn't know the Jews would get upset about it.<br /><br /><i>He has learned what he didn't know and sincerely regrets his misunderstandings.</i><br />I won't make that mistake again. I'll be even more secretive about my real motives and agenda from now on.<br /><br />And yes, they really are that devious. <br /><br />Do I have proof? If this leopard had really changed his spots, he would not still be consorting with messianic (antisemite-in-the-classic-xian-way) <a href="http://www.hebraicrootsnetwork.com/teachers/daniel-botkin" rel="nofollow">Daniel Botkin</a>.<br /><br />If you don't believe me, ask Botkin's daughters. They're here in Israel right now, volunteering with HaYovel.<br /><br />[Quoting Daniel Botkin: <i>"JEWISH PEOPLE AND THE TWO-HOUSE TEACHING" I do not have as much contact with Jewish people now as I did in the past <br />when I lived in Israel and New York, so I am not sure about the best way, if any, to <br />approach the subject when speaking to Jews. We should be aware of the fact that <br />Orthodox Jews do expect Mashiach (Messiah) to regather the twelve tribes. <br />Perhaps it could be pointed out to them that the descendants of the tribes are <br />indeed being regathered from among the Gentile nations as they come to Yeshua <br />and into the Messianic Community. Centuries ago, when virtually all Gentile <br />Christians just lived a typical Catholic or Protestant lifestyle, the suggestion would <br />not have been so feasible. But now that so many Gentile Christians are embracing the <br />Torah, honoring the true Sabbath, and celebrating the Biblical Feasts, the idea <br />may not seem too far-fetched for Orthodox Jews to consider it. (Some already do <br />believe it, by the way.) And if they are persuaded that many of these "Messianic <br />Gentiles" are really descendants of the ten northern tribes and are awakening to their Israelite identity because of their faith in Yeshua of Nazareth, then they might also be persuaded to consider His Messianic claims more seriously than they did in the past, when they viewed Christianity as just another pagan religion.</i><br /><br />This is who Tommy Waller asked to be guest speaker at his 2013 Family Week.]Devorah Chayahhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/03625277197970920616noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7014209.post-5928916151246275052013-09-02T21:19:26.859+03:002013-09-02T21:19:26.859+03:00Tommy renounced Yeshu!? How did it happen!?
Anon...Tommy renounced Yeshu!? How did it happen!? <br /><br />Anon #2Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7014209.post-6707006632223507842013-09-02T20:01:13.347+03:002013-09-02T20:01:13.347+03:00that video is almost a decade old.
Tommy has reca...that video is almost a decade old.<br /><br />Tommy has recanted. He admits he spoke from ignorance. He has learned what he didn't know and sincerely regrets his misunderstandings.<br /><br />as for crosses, they don't even wear them. lack of knowledge on your part is amazing.YMedadhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/14333122797414935958noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7014209.post-69175339309864902832013-09-02T16:19:53.491+03:002013-09-02T16:19:53.491+03:00That's a very unsatisfactory answer. I hope y...That's a very unsatisfactory answer. I hope you have a better one prepared before Judgment Day.<br /><br />Anon #2 - (not to be confused with the first anon.)Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7014209.post-37985476515558658922013-09-02T16:15:16.904+03:002013-09-02T16:15:16.904+03:00Dear Anon 3:53:
The short answer is yes but not b...Dear Anon 3:53:<br /><br />The short answer is yes but not by prosyletizing. If I engage in theological discussions, there would probably be some fanatic who would say I'm engaged in ecumenism.YMedadhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/14333122797414935958noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7014209.post-2179718664549850902013-09-02T15:43:38.563+03:002013-09-02T15:43:38.563+03:00GG:-
One.
למשל: מ"חבל נחלתו" -
"...GG:-<br /><br />One.<br /><br />למשל: מ"חבל נחלתו" -<br /> "ג. בערכין (ו ע"א) נאמר: "תנא חדא: עובד כוכבים שהתנדב נדבה לבדק הבית – מקבלים הימנו, ותניא אידך: אין מקבלין! א"ר אילא א"ר יוחנן, לא קשיא: הא בתחילה, הא בסוף, דאמר ר' אסי אמר רבי יוחנן: בתחילה – אפילו מים ומלח אין מקבלין מהם, בסוף – דבר המסויים אין מקבלין, דבר שאינו מסויים מקבלין. היכי דמי דבר המסויים? אמר רב יוסף: כגון אמה כליא עורב". (בבבלי הובאה רק דעת ר' יוחנן ובירושלמי אף דעת ר"ל עי' להלן), ורב יוסף מפרש שדבר מסוים הוא חלק ברור מהבנין. והגמרא דנה בכך.<br /> <br />ומפרש רש"י:<br /> <br />"בתחילה – בתחילת הבנין אין מקבלין דשמא לרפיון ידים מתכוונין.<br /> <br />"לבסוף – לחזק את בדק דאין לומר רפיון ידים מקבלין, ל"א בתחילה כשלא היתה אימתן של עובדי כוכבים עליהן אין מקבלין אבל לבסוף מקבלין משום אימה. וראשון עיקר, וזה אינו טעם דהא כל ימי בית שני היתה אימת העובדי כוכבים עליהן ובתחילתו יותר מסופו. וא"ת האי בתחילה נמי אמקדש ראשון קאמר א"כ מאי מותיב ליה לקמן מואגרת אל אסף וגו' דהיינו במקדש שני.<br /> <br />"דבר המסויים – שנראה בעין אין מקבלין מהם דגנאי הוא ועוד שמתפארים בו".<br /> <br />עולה שלבדק הבית מותר לקבל לאחר הבניה לשם תיקונים וגם אז לא דבר מסויים כגון חלק מהבניין אלא ממון או חומרי בניה שמעבדים אותם ומוסיפים לבניין."<br />YMedadhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/14333122797414935958noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7014209.post-62156683508252545192013-09-02T15:42:39.809+03:002013-09-02T15:42:39.809+03:00David,
My sons and scores of their friends are ha...David,<br /><br />My sons and scores of their friends are happily harvesting and working the land in the Golan as I write this. We interviewed several farmers and posted a number of other alternatives which we published in in our 2011 report:<br />http://jewishisrael.ning.com/profiles/blogs/the-waller-family-making<br /><br />Thai workers have an excellent reputation here.<br /><br />When asked about Christian labor, we received replies such as, "they may want a piece of who we are and what we have.” and that "use of pious Christian laborers could be problematic because, like Arabs, they claim an attachment to the land." <br /><br />We also asked Rabbi Sholom Aronson, the Kashrut supervisor of the Golan Heights Winery (he is also in charge of the tourist center for the winery), about the use of machinery to harvest grapes.<br /><br />Rabbi Aronson said that the overwhelming majority of the high quality, award winning wines produced in the Golan are made from grapes that were picked mechanically. <br /><br />He acknowledged that certain exclusive boutique wineries, producing premium wines or champagnes, may still rely on hand-picked grapes, because the machinery can bruise the clusters. <br /><br />He said that the older vineyards in the Shomron require handpicking because, in order for mechanization to work, the vineyards have to be preplanned for mechanization. However, it was his understanding that the newer vineyards in the Shomron have all been planned for mechanized harvesting. <br /><br />Overall, Rabbi Aronson said the Golan vintners were pleased with the mechanization process and that it seemed to be the future, even for finest of wines.<br /> <br />So it appears that there are indeed very viable alternatives to dependency on fervent Christian fundamentalist labor. Those Jewish farmers who choose to throw caution to the wind and continue their relationship with the Waller family should lay down the law and some ground rules.<br /><br />From day 1 Jewishisrael has promoted and approved of a moral and responsible relationship with Christian supporters, yet not a wanton and reckless one like that which is currently being pursued by Shomron leadership.ellenhttp://jewishisrael.comnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7014209.post-84725021001219627392013-09-02T15:26:46.594+03:002013-09-02T15:26:46.594+03:00Medad, what Halacha permits you do do something th...Medad, what Halacha permits you do do something that takes into consideration various elements of relations with non-Jews? Source please?Geula Girlhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/02504348060586995420noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7014209.post-27624724402374913802013-09-02T15:26:24.897+03:002013-09-02T15:26:24.897+03:00to Ariel - now you being either silly, stupid or p...to Ariel - now you being either silly, stupid or plain cantankerous.<br /><br />to Anon. - fanatic irrationalists always amaze me but they don't mesmerize me.YMedadhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/14333122797414935958noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7014209.post-52149842220750813232013-09-02T15:24:53.407+03:002013-09-02T15:24:53.407+03:00Do you people believe at all in Hashem or the Tora...Do you people believe at all in Hashem or the Torah? These are the facts. Wallers and volunteers are not righteous gentiles as defined by halachah. Even according to Rabbi Melamed they practice a form of idolatry. The halachah not only says they shouldn't be allowed in the land of Yisrael but we should show them no favor. At a time when the fate of the Shomron is being decided not only in Washington but in shamayim do you really want to play a game of semantics and technicalities? So I would think twice about inviting them into your yishuvim and your homes. Jews base their actions on halachah not prophecy. It wouldn't be the first time Hashem removed Jews from the land because of idolatry. Even King Shlomo was led astray by bonding with idolators and I don't think even you are arrogant enough to think you are wiser than he.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7014209.post-66366685992787958002013-09-02T15:23:23.365+03:002013-09-02T15:23:23.365+03:00B"H - There is no halacha that permits anythi...B"H - There is no halacha that permits anything that goes on in Bracha: Only Mr. Melamed's reformed Torah.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7014209.post-71071003432884354392013-09-02T15:17:27.147+03:002013-09-02T15:17:27.147+03:00that Ariel is a ridiculous line of reasoning. If ...that Ariel is a ridiculous line of reasoning. If the Halacha permits you do do something that takes into consideration various elements of relations with non-Jews, how is that suspect?YMedadhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/14333122797414935958noreply@blogger.com