tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7014209.post108478109807445211..comments2024-03-28T14:55:27.949+02:00Comments on My Right Word: Settler? No. RevenantYMedadhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/14333122797414935958noreply@blogger.comBlogger7125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7014209.post-45687435339527236172014-10-29T16:09:10.480+02:002014-10-29T16:09:10.480+02:00YMedad said...
To anon 7;35 - it can mean tha...YMedad said...<br /><br /> To anon 7;35 - it can mean that but its origin is simple - 19th century French, literally 'coming back', present participle (used as a noun) of revenir.<br /><br />Point missed. Settler has no negative connotations in its definition or origin either. The historical fact that "settlers" traditionally settled violently (as in the Americas) is the reason the word has negative connotations.<br /><br />Similarly, revenant may have benign origins like you say, but in modern usage, it means a monster who returns from the dead to terrorize the living. Because of games like Dungeons and Dragons and their effect on popular culture, I'd hazard to say that the vast majority of people either don't know what revenant means or they do, and they know it is a monstrous creature of evil. Do a google search of the word, the first hits are all about evil monsters.<br /><br />So maybe contact a PR specialist who can focus group this stuff for you next time.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7014209.post-83763595078584454272014-10-28T23:01:26.845+02:002014-10-28T23:01:26.845+02:00To anon 7;35 - it can mean that but its origin is ...To anon 7;35 - it can mean that but its origin is simple - 19th century French, literally 'coming back', present participle (used as a noun) of revenir.YMedadhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/14333122797414935958noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7014209.post-55365692888033095512014-10-28T19:35:37.744+02:002014-10-28T19:35:37.744+02:00I saw this post on JungNaiv's timeline and jus...I saw this post on JungNaiv's timeline and just had to respond. <br /><br />You don't like the word "settler" because of its negative connotation, so instead you want to be called a "revenant"? You realize the connotation there is 100x worse, right? <br /><br />From wikipedia:<br />A revenant is a visible ghost or animated corpse that was believed to return from the grave to terrorize the living<br /><br />This is why the international community has no respect for Israeli settlers, because they want to be called something that is literally an undead monster that terrorizes the living, and think that's somehow going to win people over where "settler" did not. It's farcical how out of touch you are with reality.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7014209.post-6483609583634235242013-01-01T14:11:50.497+02:002013-01-01T14:11:50.497+02:00Most of the settlers don't have any connection...Most of the settlers don't have any connection with this land. They just come thanks to the money that the Israeli government provides them. Moreover, if you want to keep "judea and samaria" please fight in order to give back all the coast between Ashdod and Askalan, that was never ever 'israelite'. Religion is something private between you and your god. To use it in political debates is not acceptable. Especially if, like in this case, it is done in a highly selective way.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7014209.post-54734192800839912452011-11-22T11:28:09.817+02:002011-11-22T11:28:09.817+02:00Let's be PROUD of OUR Heritage, Morashàh [NOT ...Let's be PROUD of OUR Heritage, Morashàh [NOT yerushà, inheritance: BIG difference!] that is OUR Toràh and OUR Land.<br />The so called "territories" are to be called "liberated territories", formerly "occupied" by Jordan, if there are gentiles who want to dispute them, that's their problem.<br />The Toràh COMMANDS us to SETTLE the land, "we-ithnachalthem bah", and you shall settle it.<br />Settling, being a settler is a COMMANDMENT, an honour.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7014209.post-85921989999364107142008-08-27T23:45:00.000+03:002008-08-27T23:45:00.000+03:00Glad you found this four-year old piece.Since the ...Glad you found this four-year old piece.<BR/><BR/>Since the word revenir contains a long-time period ellement, I did stretch the meaning a bit but nevertheless, I think it still can provide a semantic frame of reference. The Jewsis right to reconstitute their historic homeland was internationally recognized in a series of international legal forums between 1919 and 1923 when the Mandate was finally awarded to Gt. Britian for that purpose, reconstituting the former Jewish state.<BR/><BR/>Jews have always sought to return home to the Land of Israel and now, they shouldn't have had to sneak in like under the Turks or be afraid to do so because of local Arabs who moved in after conquering the area in 638. And since the 1860s, Jews had been buying back their land, and continued to do so, mostly in places where few Arabs wished to live or where Arabs did live but actually had no property rights since the owners were living somewhere else.<BR/><BR/>The local Arabs sought to wield political violence since 1920 and killed, traped and pillaged. Nice neighbors, eh?<BR/><BR/>And they never accepted any compromise proposals, not when some Saudi Arabian refugee was crowned Emir of TransJordan, not when the 1937 partiton of CisJordan (west of the Jordan River) was offered, not the White paper of 1939 which basically condemned the Jews of Europe to death because they ahd no where else to go to except the Palestine Mandate but the British wouldn't let them in because the local Arabs had been ritoing and revolting for the past three years and they didn't except the 1947 UN Partition.<BR/><BR/>So, with which neighbors do we make peace after in 1964, when they established the Palestine Liberation Organization (think: what "Palestine" could they have wanted to liberate if the "West Bank and Gaza" were not in Israel's hands at the time? No "occupation", no "settlements", no "settlers". So why did they start terror again after the fedayeen raids in the early 1950s?<BR/><BR/>Am I missing soemthing here about good neighborly relations?YMedadhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/14333122797414935958noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7014209.post-37296527762014150442008-08-27T21:56:00.000+03:002008-08-27T21:56:00.000+03:00An interesting discourse - however, one thing I fi...An interesting discourse - however, one thing I find problematic is that those living there are not themselves revenants - they are not returning to a place they once lived. Following the logic of your argument, I should be able to move to England or to France or to Eden and claim it as my own since I am a descendant of one who lived there at some point. You declaim the use of "settler" because of its negative connotations. As a more objective person, I recognize your point but feel "revenant" fails for exactly the same reasons. It implies more than the reality. Why not simply use "neighbor" as that is what you all are in reality. And like neighbors anywhere you need to find ways to live in peace without antagonising each other so much.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.com