Monday, July 08, 2019

Who Is Being Disingenuous?

Many tout the Two-State Solution (drum-roll in the background) as the sole possibility to resolve the Arabs' conflict with Zionism, Jews and Israel.

There is no other alternative.

In response to one such article, I sent the author this:

I think allowing the Arabs of the Palestinian National Authority a quarter-of-a-century to prove they are capable and willing to both negotiate seriously and build-up state institutions while proving their desire for peace is enough and is quite a contemporary reality.

To which the author replied:

No people has ever been put through these hoops before, certainly not Israeli Jews before independence. None of them would have passed the test. The colonial mentality that developed in Israel following the triumph of the 1967 war and the inception of occupation that gave rise to such tests is by far the greater problem. But I understand that it's difficult to see that from the inside. I have always tried to work to the principle that if one's argument coincides with one's desires (or perceived interests), be suspicious of the argument. I recommend it as a useful guide to whether an argument is disingenuous or not.Over and I suggest out.

Since the author signed out of the attempted dialogue, I'll respond here:

First, the Jews actually were subjected to "hoops".   Annually.

The British Mandatory regime was required to submit reports on the progress the Jews were making as regards constructing their future state in all aspects: immigration, settlement, finances, etc.  Here's one from 1939 submitted to the Permanent Mandates Commission. Here's the prepared questionnaire. And some of its questions:


What measures have been taken to place the country under such political, administrative and economic conditions as will secure the establishment of the national home for the Jewish people?

What measures have been taken to place the country under such political, administrative and economic conditions as will secure the development of self-governing institutions?

What measures have been taken to place the country under such political, administrative and economic conditions as will safeguard the civil and religious rights of all the inhabitants of Palestine, irrespective of race and religion?

What are the effects of these measures?
What measures have been taken to encourage local autonomy?

When and in what manner has the Jewish agency been officially recognised?

What is the nature and extent of the co-operation of this agency with the Administration of Palestine in economic, social and other matters?
In what manner has this agency taken part in the development of the country (statistics of the results obtained)?

There's a new book devoted to the Commission with dozens of pages on Palestine.

And actually, they passed the test as proven by the UNSCOP report of 1947 and the recommendation to establish an independent Jewish state in 1947.  Yes, the Arab state was also recommended but as we all know, they failed the most simplets of tests: accepting that recommendation. 

As for "colonial mentality", that is actually the contining of the original resettlement of the Land of Israel. The League of Nations charged the Mandatory to guarantee "close settlement" for Jews in, at least, all the territory between the Jordan River and the Mediterranean Sea.

And as regards the throwaway "disingenuous" dig, I return it. There are those who claim to be neutral observers, disengaged, looking from the outside but they are in their own ideological/political constructs which bear little connection either to historical truth or the actual course of events, whether a century ago or today.

Or is it just ignorance by one pretending scholarship and intelligence - that is lacking?


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18 comments:

  1. It is ironic that the Jewish people living under the Mandate of Palestine were in 25 years able to create a viable independent state, while the Arabs living in Mandate Palestine did not during the same period, and did not during the 19 years between 1948 and 1967. Nor within the 26 years since the signing of the Oslo Accords have the Palestinians put themselves in a position to form an independent and viable Palestinian state even though they have received billions of dollars of assistance and much political support.

    Why? While the Jewish people desired to build up and reconstitute their nation, the Arabs sought to prevent and then destroy the Israeli state instead of building up and having their own state.

    If one reads the Palestinians' own survey reports (PSR), more than 50% of the Palestinians do not want a two state solution and the Palestinians choose violence over negotiations and non-violent protest as their number one method of solving the conflict.

    In these conditions it is difficult to see any solution, much less a two state solution, to the conflict. What is worse, any two state solution would be used by some Palestinians as a springboard to furthering the conflict (as they did with the Oslo Accords) and not as a means of creating a sustainable peace.

    At some point Israel must decide to move on without the Palestinians and determine what it is going to do.

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  2. Mr. Ariel Ben Solomon said:

    “During the past year-and-a-half,
    he [Yigal Carmon] explained,
    MEMRI concentrated on monitoring
    sermons by imams
    [Muslim preachers] across America.

    The results from a random sample
    of over 100 imams, he said,
    were shocking.

    The sermons were laced with incitement
    to kill Jews, support for global
    jihad and hard-core misogyny.

    A few imams, he said,
    preached tolerance and coexistence,
    but they were a small minority.”

    SOURCE:
    Supremacists and Jihadis form
    two-pronged attack threatening Jews in USA

    by Ariel Ben Solomon, 2019 June 26
    www.jns.org/memri-adds-white-supremacism-to-its-research-of-the-jihadi-threat/

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    Alexander H. Joffe [a Middle East Historian] said:

    “Increasingly, discrimination against
    Jews is regarded as legitimate, whether
    or not there is any connection to Israel.”

    SOURCE:
    BDS Spreads Through Community Organizations
    and K-12 by Alexander Joffe, 2019 July 2
    www.algemeiner.com/2019/07/02/bds-spreads-through-community-organizations-and-k-12/

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    Alexander H. Joffe
    [a Middle East Historian] said:


    Similarly, neo-Nazis in Germany have begun
    using the phrase “Israel is our misfortune,”
    a sentiment that converges with the German
    [Leftist] Green Party’s explicit support for BDS.

    The crossover between the two streams
    was seen recently when a founder of
    the Green Party spoke at a neo-Nazi event.

    SOURCE: BDS Spreads Through Community
    Organizations and K-12 by Alexander Joffe, 2019 July 2
    www.algemeiner.com/2019/07/02/bds-spreads-through-community-organizations-and-k-12/

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  3. Uzi Baruch wrote:

    Tunisian Prime Minister Youssef Chahed
    has banned the wearing of the niqab
    [Islamic] face-veil in public institutions
    “for security reasons.”

    SOURCE: Tunisia bans the niqab
    Muslim face cover in public
    by Uzi Baruch,
    5/7/2019 for Israel National News
    www.IsraelNationalNews.com/News/News.aspx/265566

    QUESTION: When will Europe and North America
    follow their example, and wisely ban the niqab?

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    Mr. Stephen M. Flatow [an attorney
    in New Jersey and father of Alisa Flatow,
    who was murdered in an Iranian-sponsored
    Palestinian terrorist attack in 1995] said:


    “…Israel ended its rule over 98 percent [98%]
    of the Palestinian Arabs back in [year] 1995.

    It is the Palestinian Authority that rules them.

    The gang [of political Far-Leftists
    and Progressives and Socialists] knows
    that Israel does not rule the area.
    ...........................................................

    So why do the Progressive Networkers
    persist in promoting the fantasy
    that Israel rules over the Arabs?

    Because demonizing Israel as the
    occupier galvanizes their followers.

    It gives them something to be upset about…”

    SOURCE: Ten Jewish groups unite
    against Israeli democracy
    by Stephen M. Flatow
    www.jns.org/opinion/ten-jewish-groups-unite-against-israeli-democracy/

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    Evelyn Gordon [a journalist living in Israel] said:

    “Palestinians’ rights matter when
    targeted by Israel, but not when
    targeted by the Palestinian Authority.

    And Israeli rights never matter,
    except when violated by Israel.”

    SOURCE: When human rights
    become acceptable collateral damage

    by Evelyn Gordon, 2019 July 3
    www.jns.org/opinion/when-human-rights-become-acceptable-collateral-damage/

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