tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7014209.post8146818821248737693..comments2024-03-18T11:15:05.940+02:00Comments on My Right Word: Sorry, But No Proselytizing, PleaseYMedadhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/14333122797414935958noreply@blogger.comBlogger6125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7014209.post-29978113685353735102014-11-24T01:56:24.006+02:002014-11-24T01:56:24.006+02:00I have read PENAL LAW 5737 - 1977. I see that atte...I have read PENAL LAW 5737 - 1977. I see that attempts to convert for the purpose of material gain, <br />and conversion after an offer or granting of material gain, and attempts to convert a minor without the parents’ consent, are illegal. <br />However, I do not see that attempts to convert, in the absence of any offer of material gain and with the parents' permission, are prohibited by this law. <br />If there is a more general prohibition against attempts to convert, either in this law or subsequent law, <br />could you please provide a citation or link. I am very interested in this from both an historical and a legal perspective.<br /><br />Secondly, I do not agree with a poster that it is "hubris to think only you speak to God." <br />That notion comes as natural to some people as the notion comes to others that no one has the right to try to convert them. <br />Especially when it comes to religion, many people believe they have a duty to convert others. <br />It doesn't bother me much, because I am pretty confident in my beliefs, there are plenty of philosophers and scholars and religious speakers <br />who provide substantiation for my beliefs; and if anything, attempts to convert me are a great help in getting me <br />to re-examine, re-evaluate, and at times adjust my religious beliefs. <br />I don't fear being corrected, or being stimulated, or being challenged; <br />so I don't fear having people tell me about their religious beliefs in an attempt to convert me. <br />Maybe they are right! Then I will convert. But if they are not right, my beliefs will be developed and strengthened. <br />- TarquiniusAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7014209.post-40805657935311147082011-09-15T10:52:40.125+03:002011-09-15T10:52:40.125+03:00sdrake: aren't you lucky I believe in free spe...sdrake: aren't you lucky I believe in free speech? otherwise, your tripe would be expunged. anyway, if you were a girl, and I kept walking up to you and asking for a date, or for sex, and you didn't like me, is it my frre right of expression to keep at it, badgering you?<br /><br />but since you slide into classic antisemitic garbage, I'll let you stew in boiling bovine fesces.YMedadhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/14333122797414935958noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7014209.post-34950243737833742082011-08-27T20:49:11.066+03:002011-08-27T20:49:11.066+03:00...The constant fighting, however, hurt trade and ......The constant fighting, however, hurt trade and manufacturing, the economy deteriorated and the country’s population was impoverished. There is no data about the number of Jews living in the country on the eve of the Arabic occupation. Based on his analysis of various factors, Michael Assaf estimates that their number then was 150,000--200,000. During the Arabic occupation, in the 7th, 8th, and 9th centuries, Jews from communities in the Arab Peninsula, North Africa, and Babylon returned to Israel and its Jewish population increased slightly, but from correspondence preserved in the Cairo Genizah we learn that the security situation in the country made many leave, particularly during the Fatimid period. Documents from the Cairo Genizah presented by Prof. Moshe Gill contain evidence of Jewish communities in Israel, particularly from the 10th to the 11th centuries. In the Galilee, Tiberias was the centre of Jewish spirituality, with several synagogues and two communities: Jews from Babylon and Jews from Jerusalem. There were also Jews in Acre, Haifa, Gush Halav, Pequi’in, Dalton, Kfar Cana, Kadesh Naphtali, Tzipori, Kfar Hananya, ‘Ivlin, Kfar Mandi, Safed, ‘Akhbara, and Biriya. According to the 10th century Arabic Geographer Al Muqadassi, there were large Jewish settlements in Gush Halav and Kadesh Naphtali, and Jews lived also in Ramle, Hebron, the coastal cities, Tzo’ar (near the Dead Sea) and Eilat. Ramle was the largest Jewish centre in the South, with three communities, 2 synagogues, and 5000 Jews. The community in Hebron was well organised and had a synagogue near the Cave of Machpelah. During the Arab occupation Jews lived in Caesarea, Jaffa, Ashkelon, and Raffiah. <br />The Genizah letters also tell of deteriorating security under Fatimid rule as a result of 60 years of constant fighting against extremist Shiite elements, the Byzantines, and Bedouin assaults. Letters describe horrors committed by Bedouins in Jerusalem and Ramle. In his study Michael Assaf mentions Jewish settlements in the Negev and notes that Eilat was called “City of the Jews” by the Geographer Al Bakri (d. 1094). Assaf points out that in addition to coastal cities and Tiberias, Raqat and Hammat, other Upper Galilee Jewish places mentioned in the Cairo Genizah documents include the Fort of Dan, Ba’al Gad, ‘Akal, Zeitoun, ‘Alma, Al-‘Alawiya, and Tirtzah, as well as Jerusalem, Hebron, and Ramle in Judea. Assaf mentions several factors that caused the significant decline of Jewish population numbers at the end of the Arab occupation due to desertion, which was caused by the unstable security conditions.<br />Prof Moshe Gill summarised the Jewish situation in Israel during the Arab occupation as evident from the Genizah documents. Genizah letters describe “generations of decline and impoverishment in body and spirit in the wake of the extraordinary troubles of the times and the transformation of the Land of Israel into a constant battle field. The Jewish settlement fought for its actual physical existence”. But the letters also reflect “the continuance of Jewish settlement in the Land of Israel through generations of Arab occupation. This settlement was a direct descendent of the Jewish settlement of ancient times”.YMedadhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/14333122797414935958noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7014209.post-47372103934426286722011-08-27T20:48:56.860+03:002011-08-27T20:48:56.860+03:00Dear Anon.: please don't be either silly or st...Dear Anon.: please don't be either silly or stupid. who ethnically cleansed the Jews between 638 and 1947?<br /><br />Read: During the Arabic period, the Land of Israel was of a low priority for the Arabic rulers. The Umayyad government centre was in the Arab Peninsula at first, moving to Damascus in 660. The rulers of the Abbas dynasty moved their centre to Baghdad, while the Fatimid and the Seljuks ruled from Egypt. The Land of Israel was an occupied territory and a source of revenue from tax and land confiscations that benefited the rulers. In his article “Status of the Land of Israel under Muslim Rule”, Prof. Moshe Gill describes it as “a gold mine for Muslims”: From the year 670 to 975, the Arabs collected from 304,000 dinars per year (during the 820’s) to 850,000 dinars per year (during the 860’s). The average annual tax collected was about 400,000 dinars. Many of the rural settlements were deserted and destroyed and the cultivated area shrank in size. Many of the Jews and Christians were farmers, particularly those in small settlements. Jews worked also in pottery manufacturing, smithies, glass manufacturing, mats making, textiles, flour mills, and soap manufacturing, as well as commerce...YMedadhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/14333122797414935958noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7014209.post-15874188635262891292011-08-26T18:24:47.675+03:002011-08-26T18:24:47.675+03:00"as Hillel, who predated Christianity, said, ..."as Hillel, who predated Christianity, said, "do not do unto others what you would not want done unto you."<br /><br />which is why ethnic cleasnsing was such a big mistake for the Zionists to make. And YESHA justs compounds it.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7014209.post-89740076489441050492011-08-26T15:35:13.244+03:002011-08-26T15:35:13.244+03:00I always find it so disrespectful that any other r...I always find it so disrespectful that any other religion thinks they have a right to proselytize. Not only is it hubris to think only you speak to God but it is blatant discrimination. Not really surprised by the US State Department, its not as if they respect anything about Jewish history, religion or self-identification. Talk about institutionalized anti-Semitism.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.com