tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7014209.post5137137187256458117..comments2024-03-29T14:19:30.130+03:00Comments on My Right Word: Continuing Correspondence with NYTimes Public Editor (Answered)lYMedadhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/14333122797414935958noreply@blogger.comBlogger5125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7014209.post-17184199041280952502014-06-01T05:40:42.416+03:002014-06-01T05:40:42.416+03:00You have written: From Amos Harel in Haaretz:
&qu...You have written: From Amos Harel in Haaretz:<br /><br />"Even the Palestinian Authority, despite its declarations, is not hastening to assist in finding out the truth. After two weeks, the Palestinian security forces have yet to hand over to the IDF the bullets removed from the bodies of the two young men during the autopsy in the Ramallah hospital."<br /><br />I wish to say that the bullets exited from the bodies of both Palestinian teenage boys, (there were exit wounds)so the bullets were not inside the bodies, and so could not be recovered. One of the bullets, however, that exited Nuwara's body, then entered his backpack, where the books in the backpack trapped the bullet. This bullet was retrieved by the boy's father, Mr. Nuwara and it was shown on CNN by a CNN reporter covering the case. It was a 5.65 metal bullet of the type used by the IDF soldiers to fire in their M16 rifles. This information from the CNN.com website: The metal slug appeared to be from a 556 NATO round, the standard ammunition used by M-16 rifles carried by Israeli security forces. <br /><br />Yesh Prabhu, Bushkill, PennsylvaniaYesh Prabhuhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/01866646595781316034noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7014209.post-77918345690369582812014-05-31T17:25:45.812+03:002014-05-31T17:25:45.812+03:00NYT shows once again, as it has been doing for man...NYT shows once again, as it has been doing for many years, that it is driven not by journalistic ethics but by bilious hatred of Je... err, Zio... err, Israel. No news there.<br />YoniAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7014209.post-10659170966601937392014-05-30T11:33:38.598+03:002014-05-30T11:33:38.598+03:00(Cont'd)
So, there’s nothing particularly s...(Cont'd)<br /><br /><br /><br />So, there’s nothing particularly significant about his not making clear that a) the soldier was shooting a rubber bullet, and b) if that were the case, then there’s no way this soldier shooting was responsible for a Palestinian boy’s collapsing to the ground with what proved to be a fatal gunshot wound. <br /> <br />As Mr. Mackey pointed out to us:<br />“As you know, any reporting on this subject is contested, and I've heard from both supporters of Israel and the Palestinians on this column, that doesn’t mean the truth is anywhere but where empirical evidence leads. but this specific point seems completely absurd to me and not in need of anything like a correction. I did not cite Haaretz on the claim from Israel's military that the soldier fired plastic-coated bullets because a spokesman for the military made that same claim directly to my colleague in Jerusalem, Isabel Kershner, and I included that in what I wrote.” <br />his colleague rudoren was talking about in general and was vague: <br /><br />Colonel Lerner said that the “edited few minutes” of video did not capture the “atmosphere of violence” during the demonstration, and he noted that it does not show who fired the shots or whether they were rubber bullets or live ammunition.<br /><br />“So what caused the deaths,” he said, “is a question mark that needs to be answered.”<br /><br />so Mackey's claiming “i already said that” because he quoted this is rather disingenuous. the soldier he’s identifying as the “shooter” is shooting rubber bullets at a long distance. there’s no way he’s doing a through and through into a backpack. and his NYT readers don’t know that, unless they’re otherwise informed. pretty crucial piece of info, i’d say. indeed it’s about the only thing that makes the story interesting: did the israelis do it? (people don’t want to hear that the two boys were killed by fellow Palestinians.)<br /><br />He also notes that this article is part of the “Open Source” blog series, the purpose of which is to gather and present material from other sources online on subjects in the news. It points readers to other sources rather than trying to summarize each source.<br /><br />one wd presumably want the NYT to pay and feature someone who does that job less tendentiously, someone who provided his or her readers the most important elements of information, while sending those further interested on to other sources. that would show a journalistic merit that the NYT has too often lacked in this internet age of crisis of trust in news media. <br /><br />if it’s not fit to print the simple and impt observation that since the “shooter” was shooting rubber bullets, he cd not have done what the Palestinians claimed happened to this boy, but the headline is "Video Shows Killing of Palestinians on Nakba Day” then the NYT is once again turning its back on its motto, and reviving one of its most shameful legacies.<br /><br />We do, however, believe that the article would have been clearer if it had made a mention, within the first few paragraphs, of the plastic-coated bullets and if that information had been specifically mentioned in the first iteration of what was an evolving blog post.<br />such a kind concession at the end there. sort of, “look i know your getting the raw end of the stick and it makes me feel uncomfortable, but not nearly as uncomfortable as standing up for you would be.” <br /><br />this is a pretty amazing letter. a dishonest, lethal-advocacy journalist gives a shabby answer to your reasonable objection and the omnibudsman responds by backing Mackey, with a small concessive clause at the end. given that the independent evidence for the Palestinian narrative in this incident is extensively uncertain if not contradictory to it, the way Mackey continues to extend this lethal narrative's life rather than to expose his readers to the real problems, is evidence of an inappropriate manipulation of news to serve a personal (ideological?) agenda. he is a classic lethal journalist.<br /><br />NYT should be ashamed to be paying someone to do such shoddy if not, malevolent work.YMedadhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/14333122797414935958noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7014209.post-53736918566154497752014-05-30T11:33:21.691+03:002014-05-30T11:33:21.691+03:00and I was sent this from someone who received this...and I was sent this from someone who received this response;<br /><br />"After having looked into this article, we see that Mr. Mackey engages in reasonable discussion of the ammunition the soldier used in the incident." YMedadhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/14333122797414935958noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7014209.post-51681972147198739922014-05-30T11:28:04.152+03:002014-05-30T11:28:04.152+03:00btw, this:
From Amos Harel in Haaretz:
"Eve...btw, this:<br /><br />From Amos Harel in Haaretz:<br /><br />"Even the Palestinian Authority, despite its declarations, is not hastening to assist in finding out the truth. After two weeks, the Palestinian security forces have yet to hand over to the IDF the bullets removed from the bodies of the two young men during the autopsy in the Ramallah hospital."<br /><br />and this<br /><br />But it was clear all along that the Palestinians have the crucial evidence -- and it was clear all along that they would prefer to keep it...<br /><br />For the Palestinians, it's obviously good enough that it has been reported all over the world that Israel again killed two innocent Palestinian "children." IMHO, if the evidence they hold clearly supported the story -- and Israeli culpability -- they would happily hand it over and say: you see, those evil Israelis, not only did they kill our children, but then they tried to pretend that they were innocent. The fact that they are so reluctant to hand it over clearly shows that they worry that what they have may not quite be good enough to make their case...Anonymousnoreply@blogger.com